Friday, March 16, 2012 - 6:49 PM
The Army has released the name of the suspect in last weekend's shooting rampage in Afghanistan, Staff Sgt. Robert Bales:
His lawyer, John Henry Browne, said on Thursday that the suspect was a 38-year-old man who had been injured twice while serving in Iraq.
He also said the accused had witnessed his friend's leg blown off the day before the killings.
A 2009 news article on the Army website, which has been removed but is still available in Google's cache, quotes a Staff Sgt. Robert Bales (it's not confirmed that this is the same Bales) who participated in the Battle of Zarqa, also known as the Battle of Najaf -- a bloody confrontation between Iraqi security forces, assisted by U.S. and British troops, and the radical Shiite group, the Soldiers of Heaven:
The twilight had turned to darkness, through which the Charger platoons prepared to maneuver around the helicopter. Clemmer issued orders to his platoon leaders to envelop the crash. As the platoons stepped off, AK-47s opened up from four huts to the north.
"The SF was still in control of the birds at that point," Butler said. "That's when the first Hellfire went off." "It was like a match lit up," said Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, team leader in C Company's 1st Squad, 1st Platoon. "It looked like a toy with a candle lit underneath it. Fire straight up."
The account speaks of an intense battle between U.S. forces -- Lt. Col. Barry Huggins' 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division Stryker battalion -- and a "well armed Shiite paramilitary faction" on Jan. 28 and 29, 2007.
The mortar section fired missions and alternately dug in. By the early morning, the 60 mm tubes were ensconced inside fighting positions. The platoons on the crash-site perimeter were also using shovels in throwback defensive tactics.
"The cool part about this was World War II style, you dug in," Bales said. "Guys were out there digging a fighting position in the ground. You're taking a shovel and digging as fast as you can."
But most remarkable about the battle, writes reporter Don Kramer, was that:
In the end, the most important metric was the casualty count: 250 enemy fighters killed, 81 wounded and 410 detained and not a single 2-3 Inf. Soldier hurt or killed. Sophisticated, relentless firepower defeated superior numbers on ground of the enemy's choosing....
What cannot be measured occurred at the end of the battle. Defining 'agility,' American Soldiers seamlessly shifted into humanitarian operations."
Here, Bales appears in the narrative again:
After a while, however, the clearing operation morphed with the humanitarian. As Soldiers pulled out the injured, it became apparent to their horror that these fanatics had brought their families to the fight.
"Once we started clearing the town we actually started carrying people back out," said Staff Sgt. Bales, a team leader in 1st Platoon, C Co. "We'd go in, find some people that we could help, because there were a bunch of dead people we couldn't, throw them on a litter and bring them out to the casualty collection point."
And here's where it gets a little bit creepy:
"I've never been more proud to be a part of this unit than that day," Bales said now a member of 2-3 Inf. headquarters, "for the simple fact that we discriminated between the bad guys and the noncombatants and then afterward we ended up helping the people that three or four hours before were trying to kill us. I think that's the real difference between being an American as opposed to being a bad guy, someone who puts his family in harm's way like that." [Ed. italics added].
Pray for him - bring him home.
that this psychopathic lunatic is rehabilitated. If not hang him.
for the women and children he has killed?
You lot are blinded by your own pathetic patriotism.
Wake up you fools at your government's crimes in foreign lands against innocents women and children, perpetrated in your name.
Bales is a Patriot. He went through hell and some of it rubed off. After seeing your friends leg blown off by your enemy...you strike back any way you can.
So he waxed some little Talibans in training.
I love my country...not the enemy, and Sgt Bales is still a hero.
And our Chicken-in-Chief will serve him up as a scape goat for his own apologize for America agenda.
Having been to war (2 tours Nam) on a modified surgical team, I can tell you that every one has their breaking point. Everyone is affected by the product of war after going into battle. The degrees can be debated and discussed, but to some the effect is over the edge. Yes, drinking can relax the warrior and his personal front of obedience to the cause can give way to the effect of war (which has a life of its own) and snap! He does something ridiculous, out of character of a warrior. After so many tours, which in itself ridiculous, a warrior is left weaken in fortitude to maintain the warrior posture. Not only is the warrior to be considered, but those that help bring him to this point of break down. Our present system of deployment is unreasonable and in a unreasonable system, the unreasonable happens...no "ands", "ifs" or "buts." Been there and seen it first hand, over and over. This doesn't excuse anything...what I'm saying is there is much to be considered.
Unelected officials took over Washington and the media after the coup and cover up. Even most of the comments online are financed with your tax dollars. Big brother is trying to create the perception of public opinion while burying the truth. They think you can't handle the truth. Fact of the matter is we have no democracy, president, and freedom of press is an illusion.
Our next election is shaping up to be as big of a sham as the last. Do you know why Sarah Palin's bus tour was really canceled? Do you know why she stayed 30 miles away from the second debate and chose the death of Steve Jobs to announce that she's not running? Know what leaked out? Sarah Palin and Cain aren't in the race for the same reason, the truth leaked out.
Search PalinsDirtyLittleSecret for the biggest cover up in world history before it disappears forever much like me.
Striver, I have know idea whether you were ever in the military but I am pretty sure you never have been in combat.
This man is a NCO responsible for his men, we are talking lives here not money or some management type concerned about money and his responsibilities to his board.
Most 19 year old kids over there have more responsibilities than these bullshit politicians that send them there.
You see enough of your men and woman die and even somebody as judgemental as you might lose it.
The rules put in play by politicians leads to this type of breakdown. Either let us take our gloves off and finish this or bring them home now.
Having been to war (2 tours Nam) on a modified surgical team, I can tell you that every one has their breaking point. Everyone is affected by the product of war after going into battle. The degrees can be debated and discussed, but to some the effect is over the edge. Yes, drinking can relax the warrior and his personal front of obedience to the cause can give way to the effect of war (which has a life of its own) and snap! He does something ridiculous, out of character of a warrior. After so many tours, which in itself ridiculous, a warrior is left weaken in fortitude to maintain the warrior posture. Not only is the warrior to be considered, but those that help bring him to this point of break down. Our present system of deployment is unreasonable and in a unreasonable system, the unreasonable happens...no "ands", "ifs" or "buts." Been there and seen it first hand, over and over. This doesn't excuse anything...what I'm saying is there is much to be considered.
No one (other than our loved ones) is going to remember you or me when we die.
Politicians care more about their policies than the soldeirs they send to foreign lands to die defending those policies.
They care even less about the people who are at the receiving end of those policies.
If there is anyone who is going to care about you and me is, you and me.
But we are killing each other. There is a solution and it lies dormant in your heart. Awaken it
Maybe the wrong person is being convicted...
Mefloquin was the malaria drug of choice while I was in Afghanistan. Once a week and you had strange dreams. If you took two doses people said it was like a legal high. The military didn't tell you that it could cause psychotic episodes, suicide, or liver damage. Taking it with alcohol could increase the severity of the reactions.
There were other safer drugs available - but they needed to be taken more often. The military likes to keep things simple - once a week works much better than once a day and you don't have to have as many refills.
So... Inquiring minds would like to know - did this man have Mefloquin prescribed? Did anyone tell him the side effects? What are the long term cumulative effects?
For those who would like to look it up: http://addiction-dirkh.blogspot.com/2012/02/army-doctor-sees-victory-and-dangerous.html
Hey, "Striver," where's all the outrage against nearly one and one-half millennia of the rape, slavery, and slaughter of non-Muslims in Allah's name and in accord with Muhammad's example, including 9/11 and more than 18,000 documented jihad attacks since?
Where is your righteous indignation against all the treacherous Muslim assassinations of our people by our "allies"?
You're a Muslim, right, Striver?
"Jihad" means "struggle" or "strive." So, you're here to lie and demoralize, aren't you? Take your vile taqiyya and your pedophile genocidal prophet with you, and go back to your Islamic paradise.
If Bales is guilty of what he's accused, then he should be punished according to American military law, not hellish shari'a.
If, however, the whole story is not being reported, then this wouldn't be the first time that Muslims have fabricated war crimes, our media has run with scissors, eager to demonize and defame our military, or that the allegedly-former-Muslim-in-Chief has blamed America first.
We should wait for the facts before passing judgment.
Hey, "Striver," where's all the outrage against nearly one and one-half millennia of the rape, slavery, and slaughter of non-Muslims in Allah's name and in accord with Muhammad's example, including 9/11 and more than 18,000 documented jihad attacks since?
Where is your righteous indignation against all the treacherous Muslim assassinations of our people by our "allies"?
You're a Muslim, right, Striver?
"Jihad" means "struggle" or "strive." So, you're here to lie and demoralize, aren't you? Take your vile taqiyya and your pedophile genocidal prophet with you, and go back to your Islamic paradise.
If Bales is guilty of what he's accused, then he should be punished according to American military law, not hellish shari'a.
If, however, the whole story is not being reported, then this wouldn't be the first time that Muslims have fabricated war crimes, our media has run with scissors, eager to demonize and defame our military, or the allegedly-former-Muslim-in-Chief has blamed America first.
We should wait for the facts before passing judgment.
@AMILLENNIALIST
write this when you were drunk or are you always drivelling incoherently?
Here's a sobering thought for you:
Presidents will come and they will go; they win some wars and loose some; they will live on in history books;
Soldiers and civilians will die; the most they will remembered as is statistics.
Don't sleep on it for too long your brain might malfunction.
God Bless this man, he is a hero
I am sorry he acted alone, independantly, He has been fight a war for so long, seeing his fellow soldiers die at the hands of the Afghanistan people. As the enemy does not wear a uniform over there how can any soldier know who is with them and must assume all are against them
His act, as henious as we think it might be was really an act of deparation, acting out as the rule of war benefit the enemy and not our young men who fight this war.
I personally think he is a hero, let him go free, if not, I will find a way to support him where ever he is.
A Mom with a son who has been there and served.
God Bless this man, and the family of those he harmed. He is only human, pushed to his limit. None of us know what we might do in this same situation.
My God embrace this boy, and condemn those PC armchair politicans, office, and Holder look alike who have thrown this brave Soldier to the wolves. May he be spared from the perfidy of his Traitor in Chief, and Leon Panetta
Ma'am, this man is a murderer. You're a mom with a son? Then understand that this man walked into the homes of families and murdered children and their mothers.
I am a Marine Corps vet and I will unequivocally confirm that what this man did was a crime of peerless brutality. I will not support men that murder the sons and daughters of women, and neither should you.
Perhaps you simply don't understand what "hero" means. In all my years, I never saw "murderer of children" next to hero in the dictionary.
. . . "seeing his fellow soldiers die at the hands of the Afghanistan people"--is especially ignorant, as well as noxious, and illustrates the connection between attitudes on the home-front and the very atrocity we're discussing.
This soldier is a hero. Maybe our troops can come home or maybe they get replenished and reinforced now.We will have to defend against Afghanistan more now and won't be able to war in Africa (Kony{already dead} and others) or Iran. The war with Iran would have included Russia and China to say the minimum. This soldiers situation and the sacrificed lives are sad but minimal compared to what WW3 would be. WW3 MUST be avoided and this solder may have helped concentrate our efforts where they are needed most because actions speak louder then words.
You call this man a hero? I call this Soldier an idiot. Language cannot begin to appropriately describe how I feel about this guy and your ignorant comment. I've been a Soldier for ten years. I've experienced and seen horrible things during my deployments. It doesn't give anyone an excuse to walk off a military base to kill innocent people. You said, "As the enemy does not wear a uniform over there how can any soldier know who is with them and must assume all are against them." Everyone is innocent unless proven otherwise. You can't go around killing innocent people in a civilized society. US military personnel, in this case, are civilized and receive appropriate training in moral and ethical behavior, and we have rules of engagement. Not everyone is the enemy.
Lastly, your hero's actions put our remaining 90,000 military personnel at more risk then what they were already in. Don't you think the Taliban waits for crap like this to happen so they can conduct revenge attacks on us? They will use this PoS as the reason for their revenge. The Taliban will win the hearts and minds of the people through the acts of your hero.
We will see how much of a hero this soldier really is to you when your son goes on his next deployment.
No, he did not act alone and independently. He was sent there illegally to kill for profit. The real criminals would get their congressional perks and be re-elected, while this particular soldier has his life ruined because he did not kill in the prescribed sanitized manner.
He put the gun in the mouth of a nine year old girl and pulled the trigger while her mother watched. That's a hero, really?
God Bless and Have Mercy on This Soldier
Being a Retire Army Platoon Sergeant, 2 Combat Tours myself, I will say, This Soldier, Need answer to the UCMJ, For His actions.
That is fact of law.
Second thing I have to say is, He is My Fellow Soldier, and a Brother Fighting Man, and I stand in Spirit and if possible in Body in support of My Fellow Soldier in His time of Dire Trouble, We do not abandon our OWN!!
Now no mater how heinous the act, The fact is that we have a 4 Tour, Decorated Hero, Wounded in the Service of His Country, With multiple physical injuries and psychological injuries from those 4 tours.
He has earned the right of Respect as a Soldier, who has walked into the valley of despair and darkness, because He reached the limits of His mental and physical endurance, That does not excuse His actions, But it sure the HeII is a mitigating circumstance.
We do not abandon our Own, On the Field of Battle, In the POW Camps, or When war claims them as a casualty either Physically or Mentally, At least Not in the ARMY.
He answered the Call of His Country Willingly, And now MOSt of ALL the Country need to care for a Injured Son no matter what the crime.
Justice must be served, that is Law, But in Justice, mercy must also have it place to be true justice.
Who is really to blame for killings
I believe the current rules of engagement (way our troops can fight) is probably the reason behind this tragedy. Our president will not allow our troops to shoot until they have been fired upon and can not shoot back at terrorists firing at them from homes and public places. The enemy knows that and uses it to shoot our guys like sitting ducks. This is war not games. The day before the shooting the Sergeant who killed the Afghans was standing beside a comrade who's leg was shot off. --Who knows how many other injuries or deaths he's had to watch-- (If our troops shoot first even in self defense or if they fire back into a public building where the gunman can sit and laugh, they can be tried for murder) It's not right to ask our troops to fight a war like this. So if the Sergeant knew he couldn't protect his buddies or himself and would probably die anyway, he might have thought he had nothing to loose and might save some other lives if he sent a message to the terrorists that they couldn't always hide behind women and children.
You are spot on. The new ROEs leave our troops sitting sucks. The political pandering has also been hindrance for our troops.
Last time I checked, God loves everybody. He does not side with foreign invaders who randomly massacre women and children in their own homes. God bless this psycho-killer? Goddamn this stupid war!
What god are you referring to here JAYCO01?
Is there some god who fights on the side of murdering foreign invaders against innocent women and children in backward mountain countries? What is this god's name who you wish to bless this murdering soldier form the other side of the world? Who is this god that you think favors such behavior?
You may be right - or you may be wrong - time will tell
Exactly what happened is for a court of law to determine.
The Staff Sergent is due the benefit of the doubt unless convicted.
It is possible that the man was a hero and is now a murderer.
They are not exclusive - at different times in the same life.
What this man did is no different what other G.I's did in previous wars, at least the one I was unfortunate to be in. I am not saying what he did was right but we don't know what level stress he was under and that should be determined before judgement is made. Each man has his own level of stress that he can handle.
Really ? You saw him put a gun in the mouth of a little girl ?
You said:
"He put the gun in the mouth of a nine year old girl and pulled the trigger while her mother watched. "
Really? You saw him do this? Or are you just inflammatory spreading rumors and propaganda ?
Sir,
War is hell, as it should be, so that it is not so easily engaged in. And history is full of the civilian casualties of real wars we've engaged in. Not 13, 15 or 17, but entire cities of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the carpet bombing of Germany. We didn't call that murder, we called that quickly ending the war. And something else this president does not believe in...."winning". There was no nation building or enemy soldiers with no loyalty to our cause working with our soldiers who are now risking or taking their lives. And when Obama sent our troops into Libya many civilians were murdered, and a leader who posed no threat to this country. That was murder, covered in media adoration and lovely "responsibility to protect" rhetoric with no apparent rules of engagement as our soldiers in Afghanistan must adhere to which have gotten them killed at more than twice the rate in the last 3 three years than the number which fell in the entire 8 years prior to this administration.
My heart goes out to this soldier and what he must have suffered to get to that point of inhumanity, blind anger and anguish. And to his family, and to the families of those whose lives he has taken, all so irretrievably broken. But he served this country and he is our own. From all accounts it sounds as if some of the responsibility lies in the chain of command who failed to see his injuries and remove him from the battle. I sincerely hope that he is treated fairly but doubt that he will be and that is a shame, for even the soldier who murdered at Ft. Hood was allowed the benefit of time and investigation into how he was allowed to remain in the service when so many in the chain of command saw the red flags that might have stopped that killing.
Where did you serve; in the band?
No, but you apparently are.
What a perfect way to explain it Bobfrommosinee! Cudos! My biggest concern right now is that the administration has left open the door to return him to Afghanistan for trial (or so ABC is reporting) What he did was wrong, but returning him to them would be even more wrong!
We lost this campaign for two reasons, first our civilian leaders forced our military to fight defensively, second, we told the enemy we were leaving in 2014. The sad result is that our soldiers are being picked off one by one, frustrating our troops and the enemy can just go back into the mountains and hide to wait out our departure. We should have gone in, removed Al Queda and left to chase Al Queda wherever they show their face. We cannot nation build a tribal culture and this should not have been included in the mission. Finally, my daughter lost a close friend over their...for what?
If you dont think this is the result of the apology of the POTUS youve never served
I spent five years in the Marine Corps. I served.
This mass murder did not occur because the commander in chief made an "apology" (to which are you referring, anyway)?
Someone explain to me why when an American soldier slaughters innocents, it's because he's been under stress, but when a Muslim foreigner does it, he's a terrorist?
Give me a break. Sitting at home, or flying in Airforce One to play golf or Hollywood, disarming the men who have to listen to Panetta's driver:call a spade a spade This is not a war where the men are supported. Rather they are hung out by the P.C. rules of engagement, and left to face IEDs, Afgan security back shooting them. Jesus fellows give them a break. What this never happened in WW2? Men snap, forget the armchair crap.Yeah it was wrong, but put it in context. Don't throw him under the bus. He's done more than his duty, and it's taken it's toll on him' Lighten the frig up!!!!
Is ignorance bliss?.
I've served and am still serving. His actions were not the result of the President's apology.
We may never know what actually went through his mind when he decided to kill the innocent people in those villages. He probably would be found guilty if we did find out what he was thinking.
THERE ARE NO INNOCENT INFIDELS [EVIDENTLY]
You should study the enemy's "holy" Quran and Sharia religious laws. If you're an infidel, you're guilty --- and you can be subject to any horror and any travesty. Those who inflict this terrorism on innocent infidels are lionized as "heros" and "true believers" and "defenders of the faith." Blah. Blah. Blah. Rubbish. Trash. Garbage.
The popular reaction to My Lai all over again.
78% of Americans objected to Calley being convicted, or even charged.
Here we are, again.
We are who we are.
Unfortunately.
the moral high ground that the media and the public was grasping so hard for after the Koran incident. We were "stabbed in the back" by the thankless Afghans who would murder over a collection of phrases a millennia old and assassinate our officers. This stabbed in the back myth as I see it was the perfect opportunity to justify acceleration of the drawdown.
Now, we have a rogue NCO who massacres children indiscriminately because he was stressed out, drunk, or both. Regardless of the good that has been done in Afghanistan, this "strategic corporal" has given Karzai enough backbone to demand serious reductions in our presence in his "sovereign" country, firmly placing him in the "against us" column, at least in the eyes of his people who are able to receive his message.
Personally, I hope they pursue a capital case against this man. Can someone name a worse war crime committed in the last ten years of war? Any equivocation in the condemnation of this man is reprehensible.
I can;t name a worse war crime in the last ten years
- BUT, I do remember Bill Clinton started a war to avert notice to his misdeeds.
- During that war, he broke protocol and DIRECTLY BOMBED CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, AND HOSPITALS KNOWN TO HAVE WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
- I do remember that he ordered the strafing and bombing of BUSES THAT KILLED 43 WOMEN AND CHILDREN....
- I remember this, although the American News Agencies ignored it...That Socialist Bastard should have been up on war crimes...
- I do remember after that, Clinton allowed over sixty-three (63) 16th century Christian Churches to be burned by the peaceful muslims, while the "UN Peace Keeping forces" stood by and watched...
- Again, not a word on the hypocritical US News agencies.
This man may be found guilty, but there are many more that skate because they are connected to the Socialist machine like Bill Clinton.
Though NATO was in charge of the brutal 78-day bombing of Serbia, it was mostly the US military under Bill Clinton doing the bombing and launching the cruise missiles from aircraft, ships, and submarines. 38,000 combat missions were made. US bombs were far more effective against women, children, hospitals, and retirement homes than against Serbian soldiers, and the US repeatedly dropped cluster bombs into marketplaces, hospitals, and other civilian areas.
Whatever punishment Sgt. Bales receives for his violent and tragic actions in Afghanistan, Clinton deserves 1,000 times that for his atrocities in Serbia.
Yeah, I can think of a worse war crime... 911
These "innocent" women and children shoot at us from their freaking homes and we can do nothing about it? You're looking at this, and arguing from a civilized perspective. You think the Afghan people think and behave like you do.
Wake up you pacifistic armchair people who claim to have served in the military, by and large, we are about the only nation that does NOT systematically terrorize the civilians of the countries we war against.
When the troops have mixed signals from the administration and when the moronic political are made to tell the enemy when we are pulling out there is definitely a mental questioning that goes through entire operation.
When you dealing with an enemy that has a tribal mentality of illiterate people that doesn't know how to reason except with the "Religious Teaching" of an illiterate pedophile it has to be frustrating! At least in VietNam there was a semi-educated enemy that wasn't bent on self destruction buy suicide bombers.
What we need to have is a decisive Commander and chief that wants to beat the enemy not win an election. We need Congressional backbones that are willing to defeat the enemy not have discussions with them. We need to either go in and win decisively or stay out. What EVER IT TAKES...Pigs Blood sprayed as a barrier or the Biggest Baddest Bomb convention or other wise. Make the impression so NO ONE questions our resolve and might!
you got that right.
People pretend that the people's from this area think like us. They only respect POWER, that is it.
You must show OVERWHELMING POWER AND RESOLVE, or just get the hell out. Because without it, you will always lose.
Thank you.
Amen CONCERNED! You are 100% spot on.
If this was this soldiers 4th deployment in combat...we have only ourselves to blame. An unconscionable request of ANY American soldier.
In that part of the world, the victims are often as crazy as the dictators who rule them and ruin them --- but that is largely the result of the brainwashing which begins very early in the lives of the intended victims of that totalitarian religion --- those whom their masters would throw on the sacrificial bonfire for the glory of the Cosmic Dictator, the Ruler of the Universe, and the Destroyer of Worlds. Blah. Blah. Blah. What complete rubbish. Trash,
I knew someone who died in an IED attack. Sometimes the locals see the insurgents planting these devices. Sometimes the insurgents force the locals to help plant these "improvised explosive devices" --- many of them nowadays manufactured in Iranian factories and smuggled into Iraq and Afghanistan.
The locals dare not help the Americans locate these IEDs --- they and their families will be horribly tortured and killed if they do help the Americans.
So our rogue American soldier saw his friend's leg get blown off, the day before he went on his killing spree.
I doubt that he is sane, these days, but in deciding what to do with him, it is useful to know the context in which he has been living and fighting for four or five tours of duty.
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