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The Iranian media reported today, and U.S. officials are now confirming, that a U.S. stealth spy drone was shot down over Iran. The Iranians claim the drone sustained only minor damage.

The top-secret RQ-170, which reportedly played a role in monitoring Osama bin Laden's compound, was nicknamed the "Beast of Kandahar" by Aviation Week editor Bill Sweetman when photos of it first emerged in the media in 2009. There are unconfirmed reports that the drone has been regularly used over Iran monitoring the country's nuclear program.

I spoke briefly with Sweetman today about the significance of the drone, which he says may already be obsolete:  

What made the RQ-170 so cutting edge?

When it entered service a few years ago it was actually the only operational stealth drone that we had. There may well be others, but they're kept more under wraps.

Just the fact that this thing was out and allowed to tumble around a very busy airbase in broad daylight indicated that although this thing was secret, what's secret about it wasn't its shape. It wasn't covered up the way things at Groom Lake are covered up.

There are little tell-tale things like the shape of the leading edge and the shape of the landing gears that indicate that this wasn't really an ultra-stealthy thing. Looking at it and talking to people about it, after a while you came to the idea that what's important here is more what it's doing that's secret than what it's actual capabilities are.

Do we have any sense of what that might be?

I think it likely started off as a platform for an experimental sensor of some kind, which probably has something to do with those strange bulges on the upper surface. Having been around for a while, it's probably been adapted to other things. It probably has an optical sensor on it.

My impression is that this is something that has been built in small numbers, and certainly there are more capable staffed drones in the pipeline behind it, even there aren't some already existing in the black world.

So what can these newer drones do that the RQ-170 can't?

Probably two things. One is lower [radar] signatures.  The other would be the capability to carry other types of sensors, including radar, and possibly weapons as well. This thing is quite small. That gives you limitations in a couple of areas,  including quite simply how big a camera you can put on it. If you want images of a certain resolution, you still need the optics. It also doesn't have a lot of electrical power available if you want to run radar.

When you go to stealth with a UAV, it's not quite the same as putting it on a manned aircraft. On a piloted aircraft, you're going to have sensors on board that tell the pilot when he's being illuminated by radar. So it has a sort of responsive capability. With a simple UAV like this, you're really flying a course based on where you think the other guys radars are, and trying to avoid the peak signature, trying to keep it off the other guys radar.

If you really want a stealthy drone, you need to achieve as low a signature as possible all around. Future stealth drones will have much better signature. Look at the Northrop X-47 they've just flown for the Navy: If you look at that shape versus the RQ-170, you'll notice that its edges are a lot sharper, that the RQ-170 is a little more rounded around the nose.

But again, if you're building a simple aircraft, you don't necessarily want to put all the latest on there, because sooner or later you know it's going to go down somewhere.

So if it turns out to be true that the RQ-170 has fallen into Iranian hands, how big an intelligence coup is that for them?

I shouldn't think so. Under the skin, this is a fairly simple airplane. I doubt if there's anything radical in terms of reconnaissance equipment on board. There aren't that many examples of a huge intelligence haul of that kind coming from one particular aircraft.

For more, see Sweetman's latest piece on why the intelligence gained from the RQ-170 may be limited. We'll keep following this story as well.

Photos: Secret Defense via Aviation Week

 

JOHNBOY4546

9:38 PM ET

December 5, 2011

Yeah, that's right...

The Iranians managed to bring down (note that they don't say "shot down", but "downed") one of America's super-stealthy spy drones.

No big deal.

Nothing to see here, so just move along now.....

Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiight.

 

ANON45

10:23 PM ET

December 5, 2011

Those more knowledgeable of the military's working's...

tend to believe that high value assets such as an RQ-170 would have its electronics and high value sensors fried before it hit the ground. They also view the talk of electronic hijacking as ignorant babble due to the amount of countermeasures available even if control was only denied.

Their best guess (aside from another Iranian false claim that their media loves to make) is mechanical failure, and the general attitude is that 's**t happens, but this isn't particularly damning.

 

JOHNBOY4546

5:19 AM ET

December 6, 2011

Yeah, I see lot's of guessing...

"tend to believe that high value assets such as an RQ-170 would have its electronics and high value sensors fried before it hit the ground"

How, exactly?

After all, if the Iranians *did* manage to cut the comms link then how did the jocks back at Langley send the self-destruct code to the drone?

And if the Iranians *did* manage to hijack the signal then how would the drone be in a position make its own "decision" to self-destruct?

"They also view the talk of electronic hijacking as ignorant babble due to the amount of countermeasures available even if control was only denied."

Those countermeasures being????

"Their best guess (aside from another Iranian false claim that their media loves to make) is mechanical failure, and the general attitude is that 's**t happens, but this isn't particularly damning."

Their. Best. Guess.

Are you talking "educated guesses", or are you talking "wishful thinking"?

After all, I'm sure that nobody at Seimens "guessed" that it was possible for a computer virus to infect the firmware of their ICs so that it would spin up a gas centrifuge to self-destruction.

Until, that is, someone wrote a virus code that did exactly that....

 

ANON45

10:37 AM ET

December 6, 2011

These would be educated guesses

but this is what i'm hearing from people who've been in the military or are still in the military, at least one of whom was in a fairly high position in the army and a pilot for the air force.

One of their word's not mine, don't ask me what this means "Freq Hopping, Cypher Texting, control links using Directional Sat Comm Antennas dont get hacked or jammed by the Iranians"

Even if control was only denied to the pilot through malfunction or somehow hacking, the drone itself would still fly straight. Apparently new information after I posted this say it is also programmed to land, but this info is from Fox News so take it for what its worth.

They are guessing because none of them is involved with this, if one was he/she wouldn't be talking.

 

ANON45

10:38 AM ET

December 6, 2011

 

ANON45

10:41 AM ET

December 6, 2011

Please be aware...

Please be aware that I may have misrepresented there words based on the context of the discussion, though I don't believe I have (which is why I posted) . I took what looked to be to my understanding the names of the countermeasures available. If something doesn't add up, it's probably because I didn't post the other info, and have no intention of doing so any further.

 

TOM ELLIOTT

11:01 AM ET

December 6, 2011

Lucks got a lot to do with it

These things have such a small radar image that the anti air missiles wouldn't have known it was there

My guess is someone got lucky with a visual and blasted it with a hand held missile or hey even an AK

Tom

 

TOM ELLIOTT

11:04 AM ET

December 6, 2011

Lucks got a lot to do with it

These things have such a small radar image that the anti air missiles wouldn't have known it was there

My guess is someone got lucky with a visual and blasted it with a hand held missile or hey even an AK

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DILBERT

3:29 PM ET

December 6, 2011

"Lost" Drone

Anyone want to consider that this "lost" drone isn't really lost, and was intentionally sent to be captured by the Iranians? I'll bet that drone is now occupying space in a top secret Iranian installation, happily sending back gems of information to the mothership.

 

JOHNBOY4546

6:23 PM ET

December 6, 2011

 

WICKBAM

4:25 PM ET

December 6, 2011

how is it possible

that they shot it down and that it sustained "minor damage"? I imagine they have a pile of wreckage.

 

DOCTORHART

6:57 PM ET

December 6, 2011

relative

I suppose "minor damage" is relative. The plane probably failed to self-destruct and was recovered in enough parts to reverse engineer whatever technology it was carrying.

 

JOHNBOY4546

6:20 PM ET

December 6, 2011

"how is it possible that they shot it down"

The Iranians *aren't* claiming that they "shot it down".

They are claiming that they "downed" it, which is not necessarilly the same thing.

The claim that they "shot it down" is the 3rd hand paraphrasing that the western press has adopted, and which the USA has chosen to deny.

The Iranians ARE claiming that they brought "down" a drone.
The Iranians ARE claiming that the drone is reasonably intact.

All the rest are words that are being put in the Iranian's mouth.

 

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