Friday, October 14, 2011 - 1:08 PM
In its seamless blending of globalization, "rise of the rest," and the gnawing anxieties of upper middle-class American parents, the New York Times piece which arrives just in time for college admissions season comes pretty close to hitting the NYT trend story sweet spot. (All it needs is an animal and a health trend to achieve ultimate most-emailed status.):
NEW DELHI — Moulshri Mohan was an excellent student at one of the top private high schools in New Delhi. When she applied to colleges, she received scholarship offers of $20,000 from Dartmouth and $15,000 from Smith. Her pile of acceptance letters would have made any ambitious teenager smile: Cornell, Bryn Mawr, Duke, Wesleyan, Barnard and the University of Virginia.
But because of her 93.5 percent cumulative score on her final high school examinations, which are the sole criteria for admission to most colleges here, Ms. Mohan was rejected by the top colleges at Delhi University, better known as D.U., her family’s first choice and one of India’s top schools.
“Daughter now enrolled at Dartmouth!” her mother, Madhavi Chandra, wrote, updating her Facebook page. “Strange swings this admission season has shown us. Can’t get into DU, can make it to the Ivies.”
Ms. Mohan, 18, is now one of a surging number of Indian students attending American colleges and universities, as competition in India has grown formidable, even for the best students. With about half of India’s 1.2 billion people under the age of 25, and with the ranks of the middle class swelling, the country’s handful of highly selective universities are overwhelmed.
This summer, Delhi University issued cutoff scores at its top colleges that reached a near-impossible 100 percent in some cases. The Indian Institutes of Technology, which are spread across the country, have an acceptance rate of less than 2 percent — and that is only from a pool of roughly 500,000 who qualify to take the entrance exam, a feat that requires two years of specialized coaching after school.
Decline watch: Like I said, this one's going viral because, like Amy Chua's Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother, it feeds into the fears of American parents that they're not doing enough to prepare their kids to compete with a massive influx of smart kids of India and China. But the real story here is that India doesn't have enough elite educational institutions to meet the demand of its qualified students. The fact that students like Moulshri are willing to pay$41,736 per year for Dartmouth instead of $500 for an Indian school says a lot.
See Ben Wildavsky's Think Again: Education for more on this topic.
All this article tells us is that the admissions boards at India's "elite" universities are shockingly incompetent. Basing their admissions based only on standardized test scores is a recipe for mediocrity. Yes India, please do keep sending us your best and brightest to help fuel research in our universities and start businesses here when they graduate.
Sounds like someone has low test scores . . .
Standardized tests are the ONLY objective measure of intelligence and ability: every other measure is based upon things like "effort," "upbringing," social class, racial cline, parentage, and diversity.
Subjective "valuing" of bootlicking and gladhanding over objective measures of competence and intelligence is not a recipe for mediocrity; it's a reverse-engineered explanation for the less-than-mediocre caliber of American university professors.
There's no such things as complete objectivity
There is abundant scholastic research in the US that shows that there is no such thing as "objective" testing. There is ample statistical evidence that shows the top scorers on the SAT, >85%-tile, come from families where the parents have at least a master's degree. The correlation is quite high. What this suggests (and the articles refers to - coaching) is that to do well on these "objective" tests, you better be a darn lucky tester who comes from an educated family with high incomes who have the means to give you the best resources, from academic coaches to enrichment activities, from the day that you are born to the time of the testing. I would wager you any amount of money that if you took all of the students of each class at India's top tier universities and analyze their socioeconomic backgrounds, you'll find that most if not all of the them came from privileged backgrounds whose parents are educated and likewise are high income earners. So if this is the case, is the one determinant test all that objective? I doubt it. This standardized measure that you find objective skews toward other non-objective parameters such as family background. The only truly objective test is the base cognitive test that allows the normal distribution of scores throughout the population without regard to factors that highly influence test scores. This test does not exist. So really, India stands to lose really great students, whose contributions cannot be measured by one test, by using this system. The US is great beneficiary of this. One last example of this is Steve Jobs. By India's system, he never would have been admitted to a competitive university and his future would have been bleak. Jobs dropped out of a mid-level competitiveness college which did not even use standardized test scores to screen its students. And yet, this drop out changed the world. Yes, he's an outlier, but all it really needs is one outlier to transform a whole industry who impact extends way beyond.
Even if stabdardized tests are not COMPLETELY objective, they are the only things that are OBJECTIVE AT ALL.
EVERYTHING else is SUBJECTIVE. Is the opinion of the principal that you or your mom/dad are having sex with more objective than a standardized test?
An Indian problem, not an US issue
The problem here is that the Indian universities just use a bad method for selecting students. If competent candidates have to go out of their countries for studying because they did not pass some score test, the rejecting institution is injured. If these tests are somewhat like the ones applied here in Brazil, they are easily gamed and hardly would measure the capacity of the student.
...I bet these news should be scored at 5 in the Decline-o-meter, since it is an advantage of the US system.
Tests are OBJECTIVE--everything else is NOT
If standardized tests are so easily gamed, then the smartest students will do the best job at gaming them. Are these tests less gamable than the OPINION of your teacher or how much money Mommy and Daddy contributed to some charity? You seem to believe that people should get into college based upon thier ability to kiss-ass, lie, bribe, and play-act.
If college teachers weren't so gutless, worthless, and/or stupid, they would weed out the outright cheats just through more OBJECTIVE testing, instead of accepting bribes of sex and/or money to pass these low-scorers.
(Is low-scorer an acceptable euphemism for loser?)
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Yeah sure emerging nations keep churning out brilliant graduates. Why cant these miracles come up with an iphone or a fusion reactor
answer: rote memorization and poor emotional IQ. china india brazil can turn out all the geeks they want. Aside from the hype, they fail in the real workplace of innovation where ingenuity and resilient determination are paramount. And the failures double when they meet the endemic corruption in their homelands. 'Smart' graduates do not equate to cleaner rivers better locomotives and abundant staples. Japan and China's industrial success came from copying western production models not native innovation.
US institutions lower their standards by relying excessively on imported scholarship and the article here is just one example our shallow punditry
Camus10! You are really droll!! Are you really saying that "imported" students are "by rote geeks", and innovation has to come from true-blue american pupils??
Have you looked at the educational background/ native country of all pure science American Nobel Prize winners over the last 20 years? Its amazing what learning by rote can get you!! A nobel!! Who would have thought?
And while we're on the subject of Jobs (what is it with you americans? Why is the iphone always the symbol of the greatest thing mankind has acheived?), he won the National Medal of Technology and Achievement in '85, for the Apple PC, his first, and most important technology/ innovation based award. I'd urge you to look at this year's laureates.
First, the iPhone is hardly "innovative" as most people like to say, since it was not the first touchscreen phone (I had a touchscreen 2 years before the iPhone came out), and a lot of the technology was already in existence and other competitors produce similar offerings. What the iPhone and Apple is good at is selling people a package, a lifestyle most suited to the consumerism and materialism that is currently also the downfall of the United States.
In addition, no nation on earth has produced a working fusion reactor yet so what kind of comparison is that?
Secondly, although there may or may not be an over-reliance of rote memorization in some of the emerging countries, it does not take a genius to see that the US falls way behind in all measures of standardized testing. Yes, standardized testing does not produce a know-all, tell-all picture of future success, but it does produce a measurable baseline for comparison and if students can't even measure up to simple standardized testing that indicates a base level of intelligence and comprehension, how are they going to utilize that knowledge to produce the wonderful innovations people are so eager to talk about? That's like saying I'm going to design a new engine but I can't do basic math. Not going to work!
Thirdly, all nations at every stage of development has "copied" other nation. Look no further than the United States at the turn of the 20th Century when it adopted British industrial innovations to industrialize. Also, before the Renaissance occurred, many works of mathematics, science, philosophy, literature and medicine were copied from Arabic texts into Latin in Muslim Iberia (Spain and Portugal) and spread all over Europe. So copying is not a new phenomenon.
Yes, US institutions remain the world's best educational institutions but the widespread offers of foreign scholarships is also partly due to the lack of talent in the domestic market.
And of course those Arabic texts were themselves translations of earlier Greek and Hindu works.
Hindi, not Hindu! Hindus didn't even conceive of a united set of beliefs called Hinduism when these texts were written. I grind my teeth at the thought of how many times I've been asked by Americans whether I "speak Hindu".
Actually, it would have been Pali/ Prakrit, if you're splitting hairs.....
Just saying, mister banana fritters..
@FORLONEHOPE: The ancient Greeks were the biggest copycats of the ancient world. The Greeks copied wbolesale the BABYLONIAN math and astronomy. The Babylonians were the ancestors of Arabic people.
@BIG BOY: An excellent post, I agree with you 100%. The European Scientific Revolution would have been impossible without the input from the Islamic civilization because THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD which is fundermental to the modern science was born in the Islamic civilization in the 10th century. As a matter of fact, the modern science itself was born in the Islamic civilization. This is the reason why Ibn al-Haytam is called the first "true" scientist in the history of the world. Also the European Renaisance would have been impossible without the Islamic software such as the Islamic achivements in math, astronomy, literature, music and the Chinese hardwre such as paper and printing(China invented MOVABLE TYPE about 400 years before Gutenberg also Koreans invented metal MOVABLE TYPE about 200 years before Gutenberg). Prior to the Industrial Revolution, there were very few original 100% European inventions, most of those so-called European inventions were nothing but copies and adaptations of the original inventions and innovations of Chinese,Islamic, Hindu civilizations. If anybody doubts this, then read The Eastern Origins of Western Civilization by John M. Hobson and also Science and Civilization in China by Joseph Needham.
Most comments seem to miss the point entirely. To me the article highlights a couple of things. First ..... dont panic America. Educational institutions in India cant hold a candle to most colleges and universities in the US. Like most other things educational infrastructure in India has not kept pace with the surge in middle class growth and the commensurate demand. Whereas an US college education used to be a mirage to most of the middle class a generation ago .....it is a distinct possibility today given surging income levels in India. Most so called elite institutions are hobbled by antiquated curricula, infrastructure and an archaic method of teaching which has not changed much in the last forty years. However the quality of the student body is top notch ...... at a point its a numbers game. Second ..... notice the disparity in tuitions ..... $ 40,000 in the US vs $ 500 in India. To an extent you get what you pay for...... but there is no justification in the sort of inflation in tuition in the US that we have seen in the past twenty years. Given the diminished job prospects in todays employment market there is no justification in the levels of tuition being charged in the US. We are kidding ourselves that this cost of education is justified by the quality of education. Unfortunately this is not borne out by any metrics. This model will go the way of the health care industry ...... high overheads, cost plus pricing and out of touch with realty. You want to make America competitive ...... not going to happen by charging $ 40,000 a year in tuition. This model is broken or on the path of becoming so.
What up with these Indian schools? And I initially though that they go to US for the best education they can get. Well, it could be America's gain if their beststudents go the the US universities instead.
rise of the rest...dont fall behind!!
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India's students are going to China, too
Students from India are beginning to attend Chinese universities, too. Educational exchanges are just beginning, but the two biggest developing countries are side by side, and complement each others' strengths and weaknesses in a number of ways.
I received my elementary and junior high school education in Taiwan back in the 1950s, and then had the good fortune to immigrate to the USA. I was a mediocre student back then in the old country. Yet for me to enter a reputable junior high school in Taiwan (all such schools are public, private schools were for the "losers") I had to take an entrance examine with only one out of six or seven could pass. Ever since 5th grade, I had to attend 2 hours of tutoring session in addition to about 3 hours of regular homework everyday, including Saturday. During the summer we had extra load of summer assignments. Our classes were from 8am to 4pm, Monday through Friday, half day on Saturday. Every single class had 50 or more students. In sixth grade we had to learn to solve very difficult algebra problems using logic and arithmetic only. By the time I finished my 9th grade, I had two year of algebra, 1 year of geometry, three years of English and at least five other "hard" subjects. Life as a Chinese student was very hard then, but we were too busy and under too much pressure to complain. When I stepped into my American high school, I was amazed how much time my classmates had for extra-curriculum activities. Yes, there were lots of homework and we did learn a lot, but nothing like what we had in Taiwan.
Well, we don't see too many American students working nearly as hard nor learning as much as their grand parents did back in the 50s. Lucky kids, they enjoy the good life without having to worry about their future. Why study? why work hard when there are hundreds millions of Indian and Chinese happy to have a chance to work their tails off to produce for them.
I would wager you any amount of money that if you took all of the students of each class at India's top tier universities and analyze their socioeconomic backgrounds, you'll find that most if not all of the them came from privileged backgrounds whose parents are educated and likewise are high parents guide income earners. So if this is the case, is the one determinant test all that objective? I doubt it.
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