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To thunderous applause before a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress, Israeli Prime Minister delivered what amounted to a stunning rebuke of Barack Obama's vision of Middle East peace, just days after the U.S. president outlined his basic parameters for a two-state solution.

There was little, if anything, new in Netanyahu's speech: He reiterated his longstanding positions on borders (he won't go back to the 1967 lines), Jerusalem (he wants it to remain undivided), refugees (none can return to Israel), and security (a demilitarized Palestinian state, with Israeli troops "along the Jordan River"). He again demanded that Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas recognize Israel as a "Jewish state" -- a determination Abbas says is for Israelis themselves to make.

Although he said Israel would be "very generous on the size of a future Palestinian state," Netanyahu was uncompromising about just whose land he was talking about. As he put it, "In Judea and Samaria" -- religious names for the West Bank -- "the Jewish people are not foreign occupiers. We are not the British in India. We are not the Belgians in the Congo."

Netanyahu also demanded that Abbas immediately "tear up" his recent unity agreement with Hamas, a movement he said was "the Palestinian version of al Qaeda."

However vague, these are not terms that any Palestinian leader concerned for his political survival can accept, and indeed, Abbas's side was quick to reject them in no uncertain terms. (One Palestinian official said Netanyahu's speech was "a declaration of war on Palestine.") Hamas, for its part, seems as intransigent as ever. There will be no negotiations for the foreseeable future.

Given their lack of faith in the "peace process" -- and Abbas's unwillingness to take any risks -- it now seems certain that the Palestinians will plow ahead with their statehood drive at the United Nations, a move that both Obama and Netanyahu vigorously oppose. Given how recent U.N. votes have gone, the United States will stand alone as the rest of the world denounces the Israeli occupation and embraces a Palestinian state. It may not change any facts on the ground, but it will further illustrate just how isolated America and Israel are becoming. And this may even be an optimistic scenario -- a third intifada may well break out, possibly leading to another round of destabilizing violence. Any shred of hard-won credibility the United States has regained in the Arab world as a result of the "Arab Spring" will be gone.

So is there any hope?

Even before Netanyahu's speech, Yossi Alpher, a devoted veteran of the peace process, had exhausted his well of ideas:

This writer has only one hope left. After this week, the speechmaking will be over for a while. All those Israelis, Americans and Europeans of good will who for months have evinced confidence that it is still possible to squeeze a viable peace process out of Obama, Netanyahu and Abbas, should now come to their senses. It's time to prepare not for a bilateral process but for a UN process. It's not too late to leverage the Arab UN initiative into a win-win dynamic for both Israelis and Palestinians that will transform a seemingly hopeless morass into a far more manageable two-state conflict. 

Chances of that happening, given the display we just saw in Congress? About as close to zero as you can imagine.

SAUL LOEB/AFP/Getty Images

 

ISHMAEL137

2:47 PM ET

May 24, 2011

Communication

PM Netanyahu demonstrates why he is a great orator and communicator, and why Mr Obama is not. The Prime Minister will not have to backtrack on anything he said so he can explain what he really meant to say. The question then becomes, does Mr Obama court miscommunication because he possesses poor communication skills, or does he relish the confusion and consternation he causes among critics and supporters alike?

 

PABS80

7:07 AM ET

May 25, 2011

A real man kills people????

A real man kills people???? jajajaja
Another American fond of arms, genocide and supportive of Zionism.
Are all you people like that???

 

RFJK

3:49 PM ET

May 24, 2011

The peace process is still dead

The applause line in Congress was mostly for money by bought whores, not for Netanyahu or love for Israel. As all constituencies have learned, or should we say mobs plural, Israel will learn too that Congress is the most fickle and uncertain of friends.

Its also forgotten or not realized that American republicanism is a system of fiercely defended, divided powers. Foreign policy is the preserve of the Chief Executive, not Congress, the courts, the separate states or even the American people. Especially the latter since the commitment of the masses has plummeted like a down hill racer right after "Mission Accomplished" fame, or that's what the polls and bail-out artists purportedly tell us.

Whether liked or not, wanted or not, the strategic disaster of 19 March 2003 is irrevocable. The long term costs in lives, treasure and patience are minuscule compared to running away and exponentially compounding the original stupidity. America will not go Scott free running away a second time. Not from a fight we started in the worst possible region of the globe. There are many outcomes, but running away, defeat, no matter how its painted or imagined is not an option.

The Republican party, anti Obama, pro Zionist/Likudnik brigades are terrified of Obama. They are mobilizing to defeat him come 6 November 2012 next. They will fail and a young, energetic President unencumbered by reelection concerns and less mindful of a disloyal Democratic party will have 4 years to totally reshape US foreign policy across the global commons, especially in the Middle East.

That's when the fun really begins.

 

WINSTON SMITH 9584

6:02 PM ET

May 24, 2011

Congress was embarrassing today.

Congress and Republicans in particular clearly today displayed far move support for a foreign head of state than our own head of state...Netanyahu evidently would rather distort, fear-monger and enable right-wing, religious settlers to continue illegally take Palestinian land in the West Bank than find real, lasting peace with the Palestinians...it is pathetic Congress is basically assisting Netanyahu as his government pursues apartheid-like discrimination in the West Bank against Palestinians.

 

PULLER58

11:35 PM ET

May 24, 2011

Facts on the ground

First, AIPAC of course is keeping Congress in line. Second, Netanyahu cannot afford to say anything that would upset his coalition government. Finally, the Palestinians have no leverage, so anything they say or do amounts to nothing. The UN may well have the votes to force the US to veto it, but then that is the usual empty gesture one comes to expect from the ultimate oxymoron, the United Nations.

 

JOSHKLEMONS

1:00 AM ET

May 25, 2011

What was going on at Netanyahu's address with Congress?

If I had not personally seen them take to their feet after Bibi called for a "long-term military presence along the Jordan River," I would not have believed it. It does not even make sense.

See my full analysis at:
http://israel.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2011/05/24/bibi-gets-a-standing-ovation/

 

ROMAN GIL

3:43 AM ET

May 25, 2011

America's Fatal Love Affair With Israel

America’s Fatal Love Affair With Israel Gained Us a Permanent War.

If we had followed George Washington’s advice in his “Farewell Address”, we would not have become involved in the “War on Terror”. I loaded his complete address in my blog and highlighted the parts that are of special interest to Americans that believe in the American limited constitutional republic type of government.

By intervening in the Israel-Muslim conflict, we created the conditions that started the American war with Muslim terrorists. Intervening in other countries always leads to war and enemies. Terrorism is the strategy of the powerless when they fight the powerful. The next step in this permanent war is that terrorists will detonate dirty or conventional nuclear bombs on the NATO countries and America. We have to stop the steps that are leading us to this end and change the strategy to win and end the war before it escalates.

Why are we providing Israel annually with $3.5 billion American taxpayer debt dollars? They are rich and can afford to defend themselves. Israel has nuclear weapons and a strong military; they don’t need our money or participation in this Israeli-Muslim conflict that has been going on even before the founding of Israel in 1948. Why are we paying Egypt annually over $1.5 billion in foreign aid?

The American taxpayer is paying foreign aid to many nations, but Communist China has no foreign aid. China buys oil fields, mines and finances the government debts of the American and now European governments. China is obtaining real power and influence by following the policy that George Washington explained in his “Farewell Address” advice to the American people.

The global interventionist policy gained us Israel’s enemies. The terrorist attack on 9/11 is a result of intervening in a conflict that concerns Israelis and Muslims. Osama Bin Laden’s strategy was to draw America into conflict in the Muslim world to bankrupt us like what happened to the former interventionist, expansionist Soviet Union. The Afghanistan war and the many Soviet global interventions bankrupted the Soviet Union and caused its ignoble collapse in 1991. We have been playing Osama’s game since 9/11 and we are losing our wealth and power.

We get most of our oil from Canada and other suppliers that are not in the Middle East. The Communist Chinese announced last year that they now have a controlling interest in Iraqi oil and proudly announced the receipt of the first oil shipments. It is clear that they have a strategy of gaining real power at the expense of the follies of other powers.

We are fighting a war against maybe 2,000 Al Qaeda terrorists without a military strategy to win the war. Instead, the military talks about the nonsense of “nation building” and “democracy building” in Iraq and Afghanistan. We just added thousands of new enemies by intervening in Libya. The Libyans that Obama killed have families. Every bomb that falls in the American Muslim war is financed by debt and represents a nail in our coffin. We really know how to win friends and influence people.

An economist estimated that the total cost of the war on terror is $5 trillion. 57% of Americans that are fighting this war are contractors, not military personnel. The war contractors are now a powerful special interest group. They are not likely to voluntarily abandon this lucrative business and join the underpaid and overtaxed American civilian population.

The terrorists have more time and supporters than we have money. To survive we have to stop all interventions and occupations in the world. We must defend our borders and attack only targeted actual terrorists. This total divorce from the world's problems will eventually cause the terrorists to focus on their own internal affairs because they will see that America is out of their area and that it's in their best interest to end terrorism against America to keep us out. This is the only way to end this permanent war before we enter the terminal stage of our economic and social cancer.

The $1.65 Trillion dollars out of a budget of $3.7 Trillion, that the Federal government has to beg and borrow this year and every year, should not be spent on war contractor profits and foreign affairs. Confront reality; The USA is the largest debtor in world history. The annual national current account balance losses are over $700 billion (this is wealth that is lost according to the formula national assets-liabilities). Industry is only 9% of the economy.

According to the official government statistics, 36% of males 16 to 64 years old are permanently out of the labor force and don't count. The Federal, State and local governments must reduce their size by 37% to fit actual taxes.

There are not enough taxpayers to support this huge government of over 20 million people and an equal number of people that are employed by dependent government contractors. Taxes are too high already. Most taxpayers are struggling with increasing local property tax increases and the rising cost of living.

We need to re-industrialize to become financially and politically independent from the global corporations and special interests. America has to nation build to restore its prosperity. 47% of American households are too poor to be legally obligated to pay income taxes. American owned companies cannot compete with imported global corporate products made with cheap labor. We cannot survive competing with Chinese that earn $200 a month.

Focus on our own problems, end globalization, mass immigration and re-industrialize with free enterprise competitive American owned companies before we become another failed state. Stop voting for the two political parties that ruined America. Choose independent politicians and change them when they sell out to the special interest groups. Constitutional government must represent national interests that include corporations, the rich, the middle class and the poor.

Roman Gil
http://roman-gil1.blogspot.com

 

ARIELY

4:24 AM ET

May 25, 2011

Palestinians are used to be Arabs problems diverting toy

Change your thoughts and you change your world. byNorman Vincent Peale
-----
Palestinian changing their thoughts and:
*Recognize Israel Jewish state
*Build a life for Arabs refugees in Arab counties
(As Israel done for 850.000 Jew refugees from Arab countries)
*Provide Arabs citizens the same democratic life that Israeli Arabs share with the Jews
And the Palestinians will change their and Israeli world.
_
Netanyahu speech represents Israel citizen's consensus.
--
Peaty that Netanyahu didn’t include quotes articles from Hamas and Muslim brotherhood ideology, threatening all cultures worldwide not only Israel:
--
Hamas
1:Under the Islam wing Islam,Christiannity,Judaism may coexist.
PEACE AND QUITE WOULD BE POSIBLE ONLY UNDER ISLAM WINGS.
2: Sharia goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force till the Day of Judgment.
--
Muslim brotherhood
1: "Hitler didn’t finish the job-The Muslims will finish the Job"
Muslim brotherhood leader speech in Cairo before 1 million people
Broadcasted by BBC one month ago
2; "A Muslim can come closer to Allah by waging jihad against all non-Muslims,Christians,Jews, atheists, in every possible manner.
Dr. Ahmad 'Abd about Al-Walaa Wa'l-Bara

 

FORLORNEHOPE

5:54 AM ET

May 25, 2011

His real objective

When Netanyahu reminded the President of the Jewish people's 4000 year history, he may just have been hinting at his true objective. When Joshua led the Israelites into Canaan they executed a campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing to take posession of the land - well that's what it says in the Bible anyway. While it reasonable to assume that the Israeli Prime Minister is not so insane as to contemplate killing men, women and children with all their cattle and other beasts, it is far from clear that he does not contemplate a situation where life is so intolerable that the Palestinians just pack up and get out. It is a solution, a ruthless and unpleasant one but it might just work and provide Israel with secure borders. And, BTW, it's not unlike the colonisation of North America!

 

MUSE

6:26 AM ET

May 25, 2011

The only Free senator Rand Paul skips Netanyahu address

Rand Paul skips Netanyahu address -
:
As Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu received a warm welcome from a joint session of "so called Congress" on Tuesday, freshman Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) skipped out on the speech, sitting quietly at his Senate desk shuffling through papers and newspapers.

Earlier this year, Paul proposed eliminating all U.S. aid to Israel,

Paul came under fire from both Democrats and Republicans after proposing cutting all U.S. foreign aid, including the $3 billion the country spends on military assistance for Israel each year.

the only free senator in the USA

 

WAKEUPCALL

8:23 AM ET

May 25, 2011

Well he certainly doesn't

Well he certainly doesn't sound like a very hard working senator. "Sitting quietly at his Senate desk shuffling through papers and newspapers?" What did he do for the rest of the day? Take a nap.

 

WAKEUPCALL

9:06 AM ET

May 25, 2011

Hamas

Posted below is a link of the Hamas charter. I invite everyone to read it and then kindly explain to me how you would like Israel/Netanyahu to forge a peace with a Palestinian leadership that includes this group at the helm. Take all the time you need. All I ask is that you address the question I am asking and not go off on a rant that has nothing to do with my query. Thank you in advance.

http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html

 

O-DOG

11:42 AM ET

May 25, 2011

How about the Likud charter?

While on the subject of charters, here's a much more recent document than that 1988 Hamas charter, and a much easier read!

It really underscores what a great partner Bibi's party is in the quest for a two state solution to the I/P conflict.

Highlights include:

The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river....The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state.

The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.

The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values... Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel...The Likud government will act with vigor to continue Jewish habitation and strengthen Israeli sovereignty in the eastern parts of the city

http://www.knesset.gov.il/elections/knesset15/elikud_m.htm

 

MATTW0699

11:26 AM ET

May 25, 2011

Peace Coming Soon

The Palestinians push for a state this summer at the UN will backfire and turn into war.

Everybody in the Middle East believes the next war is going to be huge. Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas are warming up their chemical weapons. It is likely that an Israeli response will be nuclear.

Peace will come because Israel will have no neighbors.

 

LARRYSTURN

12:36 PM ET

May 25, 2011

Peace is Not Dead

I'm afraid Mr. Hounshell as well as Yossi Alpher have given up too fast. Not that politicians, pundits and diplomats haven't been working overtime for far too long to try to square the circle and find the magic keys that will bring a tangible and lasting peace to the Palestinian and Israeli people. It is granted much more than tough sledding. But in the midst of all the harsh words and new realities there are reasons for all the principals, (Israelis, the Palestinians representing the PA and even Hamas) to be led to find a way forward together at the table. Israel needs there to be no unilateral action at the United Nations in September and to have the mounting international pressure on it both in terms of a vote and the continuing BDS campaign to be sidelined. In return for a one year suspension it can offer a one year comprehensive settlement freeeze. Since Hamas is now entered unity talks with the PA government it should continue while offering Israel a comprehensive one year Hudna during which no offenssive actions will be launched by Hamas in Gaza, the West Bank or Israel. In return Israel will issue regular tax payments and remove substantive restrictions on imports to and exports from Gaza. Since nobody trusts the other entities at this time these conditions must be in place and seen working for sixty days before direct negotiations between Israel and the PLO concerning final status issues will begin. It is equally important to begin a comprehensive national dialogue between Palestinians and Israelis underwritten by the international community to begin to prepare both peoples for peace. If these measures are initiated and reinforced by the US, EU, Russia, UN,the Arab League and other important actors such as Turkey and China it will be possible to create conditions for meaningful negotiations and the ultimate victory of two secure states for two free peoples including a contiguous, (West Bank and Gaza) Palestine.

 

ERCILLOR

1:23 PM ET

May 25, 2011

YET ANOTHER ANOTHER POEM

DISTANCE

How far must one walk
In these tortured lands
To hear kindly talk
And grasp kindly hands?

ER
[THOSE WHO THINK: Please Read.]

 

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