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Nearly 20 years since the law was enacted, debate in the United States is ramping up over an anticipated repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," the Clinton-era compromise that allows gays to serve in the U.S. military as long as they keep quiet about their sexual orientation. But did you know that China has its own version of the policy?

It's called the "Three No's": no support, no prohibition, and no promotion. Unlike Don't Ask, Don't Tell, the jurisdiction of the Three No's policy isn't limited to the military. In fact, it drives Chinese decisions about gay rights in all realms of life -- at least, most of the time. China actively opposed granting UN recognition to a U.S.-based gay rights group in a controversial vote in the U.N. Economic and Social Council last week, prompting Shanghaiist to wonder why Beijing didn't simply abstain, as five other countries did, if Three No's actually means anything.

To be fair, the last ten years have seen a gradual flourishing of the gay community in China. The country decriminalized homosexuality in 1997; four years later, the Chinese Psychiatric Association stopped regarding it as a disease. And whatever the government's official stance, the public's attitude toward gays is becoming decidedly more open:

“You’ve got 50 and 60-year-old men coming out, young teenagers coming out, everyone coming out,” says Kenneth Tan, a native Singaporean who has been living in Shanghai for the past seven years. “There is a lot of energy in the scene right now because all these people are coming out for the first time in their life, in the life of the community and the history of modern China. There is a great sense of freshness to the scene.”

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PUBLICUS

7:58 AM ET

July 24, 2010

Sexually repressed China

Sexuality in present day China is much the same as in the USA during the 1950s. That is, the inertia of sexuality in Chinese society and culture continues to be to do nothing, not to become active. The opposite is true in the US, where the inertia is to 'just do it' and to expect both women and men to be cooperative, indeed eager - to expect and to accept gblt people being open and active.

As in the US society of 50 years ago, when a minority of young people were sexually active, there is an even a smaller minority of Chinese today who run counter to the inertia to do nothing, preferring instead to be active. But that group in China continues to be a minority. I can't speak of the Chinese military as an institution of society.

The static inertia of sexuality in the China outside of Shanghai is changing, however. One can see and feel the changes underway in Chinese youth who, as with S Korean youth when they became rich and started to play, also are finding that a full rice bowl allows one to pay attention to other important matters, namely, designer clothes, cars and sex (not necessarily in that order).

I'd like to see genuine research on the one-child policy and any correlation that may exist between it and your only child son being gay. I'd bet there's a pretty high correlation. The only child personality has radically changed the personality of China as a nation and the Chinese as a people, as the only child in China is lonely, grew up isolated in the home, is decidedly self-centered, has access to too much good money, lacks social skills outside of the family unit and generally feels anomie.

China needs some scientific research, some insight and analysis in this respect that would resemble David Reisman's "The Lonely Crowd" presentation concerning post-war US society, with a focus on the only and lonely Chinese child.

 

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8:38 AM ET

July 24, 2010

A little may be too much

If we allow just a little or minority to leave alone. That minority may become the majority later.. Must stand firm on the standard of our government and when it's NO, it's No

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PUBLICUS

9:37 AM ET

July 24, 2010

Exhibit A

So the government knows what's best and must always be obeyed?!?

You've missed the very obvious fact the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. In fact, the emperor hasn't worn any clothes for thousands of years.....

You guys kill me.......China is truly a freak of nature country. Because of its 1 400 000 000 people, the oligarchs continue to argue that dictatorship is the only suitable form of government in China over the Chinese. I've come to recognize that you folk rather love being bossed and controlled by dictators, emperors. As the Brits of the days of empire used to say, "It's in the blood."

 

MMPA

4:34 AM ET

July 27, 2010

Umm, what?

Being gay is not a political theology in and of itself. Allowing the full minority to live openly is not going to result in a "gay plague", wiping out unsuspecting heterosexual Chinese men. The most generous of gay/straight statistics maxes out at 10% of a population, and most folks find something in the 3-5% range to be more accurate.

I have often thought that China will eventually end up condoning gay male relationships out of nothing else than pragmatism. If only to skim a few percentage points off the gender imbalance problems for mate-seeking/preservation of social stability. Conversely, I could imagine a tacit discouraging of lesbianism for the same reason.

However, the whole topic of homosexuality is a red herring in this discussion, I believe. A greater risk is the signal that China is changing/capitulating based on outside pressures, as well as the changes in social attitudes that come along with a greater acceptance of same-sex relationships. Turbulence is generally avoided whenever possible.

On a larger level, based on my (relatively short) time in China, sexuality in general does not feature as prominently as in other cultures. Which also changes where the topic sits in relative importance. Also for heteros, there's still a ways to go before they can fully/freely express their sexuality: as has been reported, crackdowns on swingers are also taking place. http://www.chinahush.com/2010/04/03/swingers-in-china-arrested-over-group-sex-parties/

 

PUBLICUS

7:29 AM ET

July 28, 2010

Japanese sex in China

There must be a gazillion MB of Japanese hard core sex videos/dvds downloaded each year by Chinese high school and college boys, especially in college dorms throughout the Middle Kingdom. Group sex videos set in large night clubs or baths populated by 100 cheering women are in demand as the Chinese downloaders rather consider a video of two only to be rather dull and uninviting.

Five will get you ten that anyone in the Chinese military with access to a computer with a private line is adding gazillions more MB to the annual total. Gay videos from Japan and the US are just as readily available, just more discretely downloaded as accepting one's gay friends, schoolmates and barracks buddies remains something apart from having a gay video being played in your dorm room.

Videos from the US of male impersonations of Lady Gaga are generally popular regardless of orientation, especially the one in the bathtub (can't remember the title).

The government has been unsuccessful in blocking all of this as its attempt last year to install the so-called "GreenWall" software was itself squelched by Microsoft, Google and the rest of 'em. I'm told the Yakuza and the Chinese mob also had some influence in cutting the off censors at the knees. The censors in Beijing ended up dropping the soap in the shower on this one.

 

PUBLICUS

9:00 AM ET

July 24, 2010

Gay Chinese

I'm not saying the gay Chinese are necessarily self-centered, isolated and lonely people. They continue to suffer from the historical intertia of society preferring hetro people. However, China doesn't have the history or culture of God religions which for thousands of years have been self-rightously punishing towards homosexuality/bisexuality.

The presumption in China continues to be that everyone you yourself know is heterosexual. However, the prejudice and discrimination that historically afflicts theist societies is largely absent in China. So when you find out your brother or your friend is gay, it doesn't have the same impact on you or on society as it had if you were in the US even 30 years ago. Gay Chinese pretty much meet with quiet acceptance; they pretty much get on with their lives without much ado.

The PRC military might be quite another matter, but I don't know.

 

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