The Israeli-Palestinian doomsday scenario

Thu, 11/12/2009 - 1:20pm

In honor of Roland Emerich's apocalyptic "2012," let's parse out a Middle Eastern doomsday scenario: the dissolution of the Palestinian Authority and the revival of the Palestine Liberation Organization as the primary governing body of the Palestinian leadership. This threat has been wielded in recent days by PA President Mahmoud Abbas and his top deputies, most notably Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat, who told the New York Times that the issue surrounding Abbas's resignation "is not about who is going to replace him. This is about our leaving our posts."

In the event of Abbas's resignation, his allies in the PLO would not have much choice but to dissolve the PA. If Abbas resigns before the next presidential elections, which were delayed today because of Hamas's refusal to allow elections in Gaza, the speaker of parliament, Hamas's Abdel Aziz Duaik, would become acting president. That would be bad for Israel -- but the resurrection of Hamas in the West Bank would be disastrous for the PLO. While Abbas is trying to use this possibility to threaten Israel to freeze settlement construction, it's hard to believe he would actually shoot himself in the foot in this way.

From a legal standpoint, the dissolution of the Palestinian Authority actually makes some sense. The institution was set up in 1994 as in interim body during the planned five-year withdrawal of Israel from the nascent Palestinian state, in line with the Oslo peace process. As with many institutions in the Middle East, where those billed as "interim" prove to be permanent (for example, the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon), the PA has continued even while hope for Oslo has waned. In the absence of a clear path towards a negotiated peace, and especially following Hamas's armed 2007 takeover in Gaza, the PA's authority has greatly diminished.

Nevertheless, the dissolution of the PA would be a disaster for any hopes of peace, and for the average Palestinian. For the PLO, it would likely mark a return to "resistance" over negotiations. At the same time, the ostensible reason for the PLO-Hamas division would be erased, paving the way for reconciliation between the two parties -- and, given Hamas's decreased popularity, possibly the eventual return of the PLO's dominance of Gaza. On the other hand, a PLO-Hamas rapprochement would strengthen the hardliners in Israel. Western support -- from financial aid to General Dayton's training of Palestinian Authority security forces -- would also presumably decline with the dissolution of the PA.

Now, I don't want to compare the U.S. position in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to John Cusack's in 2012, where California is falling into the Pacific Ocean and an aircraft carrier slams into the White House. But we're reaching a stage when the ground beneath the major players is starting to shift, and the traditional divides may no longer be applicable.



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One state or apocalypse

The two-state solution has been dead since it was felled by the assassin's bullet that ended Rabin's life.

The few remaining efforts of the US and the PA to keep the charade alive have now been wiped away by Netenyahu's refusal to accept the tactic of suspending settlements.

A stark reminder to the world that all the US' warbling about international law is insultingly and transparently specious. We are a rogue state, as is our Israeli ally, supporting actions long ago deemed illegal by the world community and even our own government.

Obama's climb-down has not only highlighted this amazing arrogance, but has destroyed the nascent credibility he created in Cairo among Islamic peoples of the world. That's about 1.5 billion people. Good job!

And Abbas' flip-flops on the Goldstone report have indelibly stamped "Quisling" on his forehead.

So, the alternatives are a single democratic state that embraces Jews and Arabs, or a series of explosions of increasing magnitude -- possibly including nuclear strikes.

The peaceful option is vanishingly small and verging on non-existent.

Only a diktat by the US using the levers of our aid -- which sustains Israel minute-by-minute -- will cause the desired result. But sadly the spectacle of a "great" power that makes important foreign policy based on domestic policy is certain to continue. We're not only destructive, we're profoundly amateurish and risible. And increasingly ignored.

umm, no, no, and no

Rabin's death did not fundamentally shift the peace process. Ehud Barak offered Arafat as much as Rabin would have, if not more.

No Israeli leader could meaningfully suspend settlements unless the next step was right on the horizon. Netanyahu's electoral mandate is precisely NOT to suspend settlements. Settlement building will not be suspended until borders are ready to be finalized.

The self-criticism, the criticism of Israel I don't mind, in fact I appreciate and generally approve.

However, both of your "alternatives" are feverishly misguided. There is no single-state solution on the horizon in Palestine. There are no nuclear strikes on Israel upcoming. So what alternative is left? Nothing but the status quo: attrition.

US aid does not at all sustain Israel minute by minute. Israel is 99% sustained by Israelis. What would happen if we withdrew aid? We would lose leverage. Would we gain enough elsewhere to make up the loss? It's very risky. I do advocate reorganizing our aid package, however.

No apparently is Israeli poicy

"Settlement building will not be suspended until borders are ready to be finalized."

Translation: we will drag this process out until any Palestinian state resembles a disconnected set of Rorschach blots. A Palestinian leader recently rejected this "Mickey Mouse" state concept. Here's what that "state" would look like now, not to say after years of negotiations while settlements continue.

http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/270-palestines-island-paradise-now-with-a-word-from-its-creator/

Re: nukes. Israel already has them, and it's inevitable that Iran and possibly Syria will acquire them. The opportunities for things getting out of control are greater than in the India-Pakistan troubles.

e: Attrition. That's the really effective Palestinian weapon. More people are leaving Israel than immigrating, and the Arab birthrate is significantly higher than the Jewish. And fewer and fewer people will want to move into a conflict zone.

Basically, there are not enough Jews in the world to keep Israel a Jewish state.

And the idea that Israel would survive long without our $3 billion per year in aid is laughable. Absent the US, who would Israel depend on? Russia? China?

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What happened to much vaunted American Democracy?

IS THIS DEMOCRACY or is this deeply undemocratic and contrary to the spirit and intention of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
November 13, 2009

Political Lobbies openly, and legally, buying legislators, wholesale! THIS IS DEMOCRACY! It was understood that elected Congressmen represented the welfare of voters in 435 congressional districts - not the voters of a foreign state.

Is this really what AMERICAN servicemen FOUGHT and DIED for during WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and now Afghanistan? To be the subservient minion of a foreign state that is the demanding recipient of billions of dollars every year, in military, civil and economic aid? Yet which refuses to comply with internationally agreed treaties and conventions on Human Rights and Nuclear Non-Proliferation, and denies IAEA inspection of its own massive, unadmitted, nuclear arsenal?

This is good government? This is the way to peace? Which electorate does this benefit? IS THIS DEMOCRACY or is this deeply undemocratic and contrary to the spirit and intention of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

You're making an important point

Basically, we live in an oligarchy with the trappings of a democratic republic.

So our foreign policy is, and has been for some time now, oriented toward defending the interests of those who own the system. Those with the megabucks to pay can play their part in the rulership. Which now includes the well-financed group that sets the bounds for our Middle East policy.

Similar arrangements are evident in the areas of health care, financial regulation and many other important venues outside the scope of this foreign policy blog.

If one looks at the major figures representing us in the region, many are tied by bonds of loyalty to the Israeli state -- the game is clearly stacked and there's not been an attempt at any level of objectivity since Bush1.

American military people play the same role as their counterparts in the old British Empire -- they stand ready to fight and die to defend the interests of others, in the case of Israel a foreign nation with its hooks in our for-sale legislative process.

The military elite are really no different than typical corporate officers who build their careers on the efforts of the "worker bees" who are also expendable, albeit not at the same level of physical risk.

Obama has already extinguished the glimmers of hope he lit with his campaign of "change." Clearly, he's received a clear message that if he expects a chance at a second term, he'd better not lean on the forces that actually run the place.

Israeli Palestinian Relationship

The US has all along not been the honest broker we expexted. Israel treats the Palestinians worse than criminals. There is absolutely no freedom of association not to talk of movement. All the while, we told by the US taht Israel is a democracy in the midst of autocratic rulers. Who made impossible for the Arabs to democratise by relently supporting the undemocratic Arab rulers?
The Palestinians are today refugees or prisoners in the West Bank and Gazza. Successive US administrations have all talked of ataining peace but are yet to come to grips with the reality of the misery of the Palestinians.
To compound the issue, the US calendestinely supports opponents of the regimes that have a different world voew. So much has been made out of Iranian nuclear enrichment but no credible evidence has been procided to date.
On the Shia vs Sunni devide, the US has unwittingly become part of the problem by aligning with the Saudis and now Yemen. In the long run, this will surely backfire just as the US/Saudi support for the AlQaeda in the war against cummunism.
That was when the US stoked the embers of religion into an inferno only for the two nations to abandon the Afghans midway to nowhere. The result is the conflagration facing the world now which some attribute solely to Islam! The head of the Pakistani did warn about the dangers of stoking religious fanaticism but he was ignored and now everyone is needlessly pointimg fingers.

The thing is, it seems

The thing is, it seems sometimes that America is beset by a double standard. This double standard specifically relates to the relative "value" of an innocent person's life. Israelis and Palestinians have their own double standards. Israelis value Jews more, and Palestinians value Muslims and Christians more. This is simply the way it is in every nation, in time immemorial. The problems occur when two double standards collide, and specifically when they try to occupy the same space.

I think America's bias in favor of Israel's double standard has given the Israeli government a false sense of security and justification. While Netenyahu defends the Gaza operation in the same terms as Churchill defended Dresden (even going so far as to link the two himself) he forgets the very humanity of his victims, and the fact that unlike the Germans, Hamas does not pose a grand, existential threat to Israel alone. Likewise with settlements, Israel acts like its a huge sacrifice to stop settlements without acknowledging that the practice justifies violent resistence in itself, because they are so beyond hearing the voice of the other.

And when Obama questions that, I see articles in even liberal Israeli papers like Haaretz suggesting Obama's nobel be stripped from him. I think the Israeli press and media have it mixed up; the US is going out on a limb, and has been for years, for the ethnic Jewish nation in Israel. We do this because Israel has been unjustly victimized by its neighbors, and because the Jewish people themselves have been driven from their homes across the globe. But when we criticize Israeli excesses, suddenly we're the bad guys, and equatable to the people who have victimized Jews unfairly.

Where are the 300 million ordinary Americans, in all this?

It is a complete mystery to me why an electorate of 308 million people allows a small Israeli lobby of 100,000 members to influence/ control US foreign and domestic policy, to the extraordinary extent that it does.

This turns democracy on its head.

The time has come for legislators to act with integrity and to this end, all monetary and other favors to any congressman or senator, should be made illegal by law.

Perhaps then we will have an upper and lower House that has the interests of the American electorate at heart, instead of the interests of a foreign state, as at present.

It's more of a matter of

It's more of a matter of 'who' rather than 'how many'. There's a reason the elderly are courted so often by politicians, they can be counted on to vote when the time comes. Of course, I don't grant the Jewish lobbyists anything close to the power that some authors give them, but any major lobbying group is worth a few million votes.

Not a quibble

I don't label AIPAC and similar groups "Jewish" even though the vast majority of their member are Jews.

Political correctness?

No, we need to acknowledge that there are Jews who oppose Zionism or at least the virulent form exemplified by Israel.

Many of these people display extraordinary courage, are hectored in their social and religious communities. Many of them are far more courageous than those of us who do not face such outrageous treatment.

These people need to know that they re not unfairly stereotyped or lumped in by accident of birth with brutal, colonialist, racist type who, unfortunately, typify the Israeli population.

Good questions

A number of factors.

Ignorance. A distressingly high number of Americans can't find their own country on the map and have no concept or interest in foreign policy. They are very susceptible to the grammar school "good guys vs. bad guys" scenarios presented by Israel's friends and simpletons such as George Bush. Arabs are often presented in the media and in moves as raving lunatics, and people buy that.

Laziness. Sports, reality shows, T&A, shots and beers -- all those things that many Americans would rather do than take the time to learn what's happening and form an intelligent opinion. How many people still don't vote?

These two factors helped us react to 911 with ignorance and blind fury, which George Bush used to launch some of the greatest blunders in US history.

Fear. The Israeli lobby is expert at installing fear -- starting with their removal of Fullbright who opposed Israel by mounting and financing an opponent who unseated him. The label "anti-Semite" is applied willy-nilly to intimidate and if that doesn't work, sterner measures are employed. The difficulty that Mearsheimer Walt dh in getting their sudy of the Israel lobby published is a clear record of that.

Many, many are intimidated in Congress. It would be more difficult to get a declaration passed that God exists than to pass anything then Israel lobby wants. This has an upside. Fear creates resentment, and many Israeli "loyalists" no doubt seethe as they vote for things they must. If things ever change, count on many of these people to revenge their honor.

Greed. Unfortunately, the lobby doesn't have to intimidate too many. It has large sums at its disposal and there's no need to convince many people that our legislature is bight and sold. Here's just one example of the sources of the money, there are many

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/30/080630fa_fact_bruck?currentPage=all

The Israeli lobby reflexively accuses people who expose its network and tactics of promoting belief in a Jewish cabal. And while most of Israel's sincere supporters fare Jewish, the truth is much less dramatic than some repackaging of the Protocols.

Our system is extremely vulnerable to well-financed and tightly focused lobbying. Others play this game all the time -- the NRA, the insurance industry, Wall Street. American foreign policy has also been distorted by the China lobby, the Greek lobby and the Miami Cubans.

Of course none of them can accuse the opponents of "blood libels" and pogroms, that's one advantage Israel's friends have.

It's a fundamental weakness of our system that we're an amateur nation that permits foreign policy -- which ought to b directed by experts -- to be hijacked by domestic policy. The average American scarcely realizes what a laughing-stock our country is.

And dangerous to ourselves and others.

two concrete examples

. . . of how people and groups are subject to intimidation

Here are two articles from a leading Israeli newspaper:

The U.S. Jew whose Iran views rile Israel intelligence officials
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1127839.html

Does anyone doubt that this poor woman will be the target of hate mail and other "spontaneous" actions in her community. Despicable.

Rights group: Israel 'personally attacking' us over Gaza report
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1128056.html

Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of launching an "organized campaign" of lies and misinformation against it in the wake of the organization's support of the Goldstone report, British newspaper the Guardian reported Friday.

The group is having to divert resources to counter all the misleading and false charges. Like a "denial of service" attack on a computer, designed to get the group to decide it's not worth it to criticize Israel.

This is not honest intellectual disagreement, it's a deliberate sabotage effort.

The deliberate attempt to discredit the Goldstone Report

The job of the Israeli Foreign Affairs Ministry, AKA the Israel Diplomatic Service, is to pump-out propaganda and misinformation from its network of diplomatic missions around the world, in order to support the agenda of the Israeli state.

That includes attempting to discredit any reported evidence that either disproves Israeli claims, or proves allegations against the Israeli authorities.

There is little that can be done to stop the dissemination of propaganda - many nations do the same. But thinking people do not need to accept half-truths or misinformation, and, as a group they do not. However, there are a proportion of people who will swallow anything, especially if it has the apparent backing of Congress.

Americans have no concept or interest in foreign policy

Assuming your comments are valid, they're frightening.