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Three Middle East experts weigh in on the situation in Iran, and what the United States should do about it. Versions of the first two comments were originally posted to a private listserv and are reprinted here with permission:

F. Gregory Gause III:

I know that it is way early, and we have to see how things develop, but let's assume that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the clerical elite get away with the power grab. What does Washington do? Put the outreach to Iran on hold?

I'll start with a provocation: I think that the diplomatic outreach should continue as it started. It would be great if there were real democracy in Iran and the United States did not have to deal with the execrable incumbent president. But American interests here are not about Iranian domestic politics. They are about Iran's role in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Gulf, the Arab-Israeli arena, and the nuclear program.

I acknowledge that it would be much easier to come to some understanding on these issues with a different, more representative Iranian government. But it looks like we might not get that. So the United States might as well try to engage the incumbents in order to see if it can get some kind of deal on at least some of these issues that will help avoid a confrontation down the road.

America deals with all sorts of governments whose domestic arrangements are, to put it mildly, less than compatible with American ideals. (The Saudis are Exhibit A.) I think that's how to deal with Iran.

F. Gregory Gause III is professor of political science at the University of Vermont and author of Oil Monarchies: Domestic and Security Challenges in the Arab Gulf States.

Wayne White:

As a former advocate of robust engagement with Iran, I will throw my two cents into the discussion suggested by Greg Gause, if somewhat hesitantly at this early stage of what is unfolding in Tehran.

I would have preferred to wait to see the full extent of the evidence (or lack thereof) concerning what appears to be a relatively more determined and forceful power grab in Tehran before doing so, but what real harm is there in airing some of my concerns -- concerns that incline me toward an admittedly rather tentative conclusion at variance with that of my friend Greg Gause?

In order to have an effective dialogue, the other party must have a certain measure of credibility. One must be able to trust that such a dialogue is being conducted in reasonably good faith, not just a far less promising "going through the motions" affair. If we have witnessed an unprecedented, bare-knuckled power grab overseen by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, what does that tell us about his inclinations about meaningful compromise on the nuclear issue?

In Iran, there always has been, of course, some separation between domestic and foreign affairs, as with many largely authoritarian governments. Yet, it could be that Khamenei is considerably more hard-line on the nuclear issue than was previously thought. I realize that his motivations for engaging in what many say now has been unusually interventionist behavior to keep Ahmadinejad in office almost certainly would have been domestic, but can we exclude the possibility that the nuclear account played into this as well -- or other issues that could well come up in a more generalized dialogue with Iran?

As a result, I question the prudence of simply plowing ahead on engagement as if nothing has changed the potential state of play between Tehran and Washington (if our worst fears pan out about what has happened in Iran). One reason, albeit certainly not the only one, that I have been a strong advocate of dialogue is to avert an Israeli attack on Iran. Because of that factor alone, many readers might be unmoved by what I've tapped out above.

However, whereas I had no qualms about engagement before -- even had Ahmadinejad been largely legitimately elected -- I now do have a measure of hesitation (pending, of course, a full accounting of what has transpired concerning the election). Unless the shock in so many quarters over the election's outcome turns out to be largely the result of wishful thinking on the part of those who yearned to be rid of an Ahmadinejad presidency (me included), I do not believe the equation remains necessarily unchanged regarding engagement.

Should the worst interpretation of the election and its aftermath turn out to be true, even I might conclude in time that those adverse developments are still outweighed by the need for engagement. At the moment, though, I am experiencing some hesitation about simply waving aside what we may have witnessed in Iran and moving forward toward serious negotiations with such a government.

Wayne White is an adjunct scholar at the Middle East Institute and was head of the State Department's Iraq intelligence team from 2003 to 2005.

Trita Parsi:

Few doubt that the results presented by the interior minister are rigged. In fact, there are increasing questions as to whether the votes were ever even counted. If this were really a landslide in favor of Ahmadinejad, where are those 63 percent of the people right now? Shouldn't they be celebrating their victory on the streets?

Clearly, the anti-Ahmadinejad camp has been taken by surprise and is scrambling for a plan. Increasingly, given their failure to get Khamenei to intervene, their only option seems to be to directly challenge -- or threaten to challenge -- the supreme leader.

Here's where the powerful chairman of the Assembly of Experts, Mousavi supporter Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, comes in. Only this assembly has the formal authority to call for Khamenei's dismissal, and it is now widely assumed that Rafsanjani is quietly assessing whether he has the votes to do so or not.

It may be that the first steps toward challenging Khamenei have already been taken. After all, Mousavi went over the supreme leader's head with an open letter to the clergy in Qom. Rafsanjani clearly failed to win Khamenei's support in a reported meeting between the two men Friday, but the influential Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour, who heads the vote-monitoring committee for Mousavi and fellow candidate Mehdi Karroubi, has officially requested that the Guardian Council cancel the election and schedule a new vote with proper monitoring.

The implications for Washington's agenda, meanwhile, could be extensive. Although the United States is pursuing diplomacy with Iran in its own self-interest, electoral fraud (or the perception of fraud) complicates this strategy. And if political paralysis reigns in Iran, valuable time to address the nuclear issue through diplomacy will be lost. The White House's posture thus far is a constructive one -- while it cannot remain indifferent to irregularities in the elections, it must be careful never to get ahead of the Iranian people and the anti-Ahmadinejad candidates.

Finally, the Iranian-American community is deeply concerned about the situation. Sporadic protests have been taken place worldwide, including in Washington, D.C. Last week's campaigning -- with unprecedented debates, genuine grassroots mobilization, and major voter participation in the elections -- raised hopes that Iran was moving in a democratic direction, but the developments of the past 24 hours have dramatically changed the mood in the community.

Trita Parsi is founder and president of the National Iranian American Council and author of Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran and the U.S.

Update (2):

Joe Cirincione weighs in:

This is not the election result anyone but Iranian and Israeli hardliners hoped for. But all is not lost. While the Iranian leadership remains the same-at least for now-trends in the country and the region may still help President Obama's strategy to contain and engage Iran.

Post election, the Obama administration faces the same diplomatic challenges with Iran as before -- chief among them containing Iran's nuclear program. While Mir Hossein Mousavi, the reformist hope, might have been able to reverse the fierce nationalistic politics Mahmoud Ahmadinejad injected into the Iranian nuclear issue, the ultimate arbitrator of Iran's policy is neither man, but the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. 

As Carnegie Endowment scholar Karim Sadjadpour notes, "We should be clear about what we're dealing with.  Just as we deal with Assad's Syria and Mubarak's Egypt, we now have to deal with Khamanei's Iran." 

Despite the unfortunate result, the process of engagement must continue and the illusion of quick military or coercive options rejected. We do not negotiate with countries as a reward, but as a normal part of statecraft. The new challenge is to balance support for reformist and democratic movements in Iran with strategic diplomacy with Iran's leaders.

Senior administration officials struck the right chords with their comments over the weekend. "The administration will deal with the situation we have, not what we wish it to be," said one senior official. The task remains the same -- we must engage Iran in order to contain its nuclear program and channel its regional ambitions.

Obama's pragmatic approach should follow three simultaneous tracks: bilateral and multilateral talks over regional issues of common concern (Iraq and Afghanistan, chief among them); formal P5+1 talks with the other Security Council members and Iran on the nuclear program; and bilateral discussions on the broader US-Iranian relationship. 

Contrary to what critics may argue, this does not imply caving in or giving away the store. This is hard-headed strategic diplomacy that has worked in the past to convince other countries to end nuclear. There are three developments that offer some promise that such an approach could succeed with Iran. 

First, the election has exposed deep fissures in Iranian society and deep distrust of the ruling regime. Despite their triumphalist rhetoric, Iran's leaders must be troubled by the growing opposition to their dictatorial rule.  The BBC reports that the situation inside Iran "is becoming unpredictable and potentially explosive." There is no telling where this could lead. Even if the protests subside, pragmatists among the elite may now push for greater accommodation with the West -- including compromise on the nuclear program -- in order to open trade and relieve the national economic distress that fueled Mousavi's unlikely rise.

Second, the continued pursuit of nuclear weapon capability carries risks for Iran. An Israeli military strike is one, but more ultimately menacing may be the reaction of Iran's Muslim neighbors. In the past three years, over a dozen Middle Eastern states have suddenly expressed interest in their own civilian nuclear programs, including Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE. This is not about reducing their carbon footprint, it is a hedge against Iran. Iran's leaders have an interest in ending this nascent nuclear arms race before it is faced with multiple, nuclear-armed adversaries.

Third, Obama's Cairo speech demonstrated the renewed appeal of American ideals and began to rebuild ties to the Muslim world damaged by the brutal and unnecessary invasion of Iraq. Obama can back up his words with deeds through bold cuts in U.S. and Russian arsenals to show that the is serious about the global elimination of nuclear weapons, with serious efforts to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with support for the democratic aspirations of all Muslim people, and with the continued withdrawal from Iraq and new campaigns against violent extremism in Afghanistan and Pakistan that do not rely primarily on military attacks. If he can take these steps, Obama could undercut the appeal of Ahmadinejad's brand of anti-Americanism in the greater Middle East.

The patience and balance that Obama has show thus far in his Iran approach must continue. There was never any indication that the president thought this was going to be quick or easy. The Iranian nuclear program built up a fierce momentum in recent years thanks to Bush's bungled efforts to overthrow the regime. It will take some years to slow and reverse this deadly direction.

Joseph Cirincione is President of Ploughshares Fund and author of Bomb Scare:  The History and Future of Nuclear Weapons.

UPDATE: FP's David Rothkopf weighs in. "Since governments rather than general populations control nuclear programs, shouldn't the recent events give us reason to reconsider our recent drift toward acceptance of Iran's nuclear aspirations?," he asks.

Photo: AFP/Getty Images

 

AHMADI

8:26 PM ET

June 13, 2009

Trita Parsi is stupid!

For years Trita was supporting Ahmadinejad's regime, and now all of sudden he is playing a different tune! hmmmm

 

ANTIMKO

10:49 PM ET

June 13, 2009

maybe your stupid self never

maybe your stupid self never knew him to begin with? ever considered that?

 

AHMADI

11:39 AM ET

June 14, 2009

Trita can not fool us!

no I know him very very well....He has fooled the American media and Obama administration but can not fool many iranians. sorry, to hurt you and his feeling.

 

DRDIVINE

7:55 AM ET

June 14, 2009

in re: engaging Iran

I agree with Greg Gause that engagement should continue. But I wonder if the approach might change somewhat given what is widely interpreted as a fraudulent election. I wonder if the Americans should be more open and public about what they are offering Iran and what its benefits might be if Iran were more cooperative with the West on several of the issues the US wishes to resolve. It might also be useful to list the consequences if cooperation from the Iranian side is not forthcoming. This might weaken Ahmad-i-nejad's position particularly given the controversy within the elite regarding his election.

 

EIFFEL TOWER

4:45 PM ET

July 13, 2009

Nice input

I must say, that was a good post. Could not have said it better myself.

--
I am hoping on visiting the Great Wall of China and Eiffel Tower soon!

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

8:44 AM ET

June 14, 2009

It makes no difference whatsoever how the Iranians chose to

-conduct their elections. After all, their country is still considered in 'the West' as being an authocratic dictatorship, a theocracy, governed by 'Mad mullahs' and until recently prominent member of the 'Axis of Evil' - the disastrous phrase invented by the Jewish-Canadian David Frum. So why anybody suddenly should think that it was able to live up to democratic, 'western' norms is beyond me. Indeed 'the West' have done Iran so much wrong over the years, so it is better to leave it to sort out its own affairs.

 

KENNETH SORENSEN

9:15 AM ET

June 14, 2009

US based ISRAEL LOBBY have for years been punishing Iran

Information brought to you from the free World - from the worlds leading news-agency, the famous BBC:

Take a look at how this individual in the Treasury Department, Stuart Levey at the very heart of the American Capital and just a stone-throw from The White House, are leading the foul sanction policy against the sovereign and proud country of Iran with more than 70 million citizens.

BBC NEWS, 8 September 2006:
US blacklists major Iranian bank

The Bush administration has blacklisted one of Iran's biggest banks, alleging that it is used to transfer money to terrorist organisations.
The Treasury Department said it had cut state-owned Bank Saderat off from the US financial system entirely.

The bank, although unable to deal directly in the US, was previously able to make transactions via a bank in another country.

The US is calling for UN sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme.

There has been no official reaction to the news from either Bank Saderat or Iran.

'Funds moved'

Stuart Levey, the Treasury's under-secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, announced the action against Saderat during a speech to the American Enterprise Institute.

He said the bank had been blacklisted because "this bank, which has approximately 3,400 branch offices, is used by the government of Iran to transfer money to terrorist organisations."

"We will no longer allow a bank like Saderat to do business in the American financial system, even indirectly," he added.

According to Mr. Levey, the bank had facilitated the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars to the Lebanese militant group, Hezbollah, and what he called other terrorist organisations, every year.

Correspondents say the bank has played a major role connecting Iranian businesses with the outside world over the last few years.

And what about this:

BBBC NEWS, 13 June 2007:
America's financial war on Iran

The United States is waging an undeclared financial war on Iran as part of efforts to persuade the Tehran government to abandon alleged plans to acquire nuclear weapons.

It is being run from an ornate, grey building located close to the White House in Washington - the headquarters of America's finance ministry, the Treasury Department.

"What we're trying to do is make it difficult for Iran to use the global financial system to pursue illicit conduct," explains Stuart Levey.

 

ROBERTD

9:52 AM ET

June 14, 2009

Rafsanjani's resignation

According to Haaretz:

"It was also reported Saturday that former Iranian president Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a Mousavi supporter, had resigned from all of his official positions in protest against the results of the election."

If true, how does his resignation help anything???

 

SAM

10:14 AM ET

June 14, 2009

Mr. Gause better to learn the

Mr. Gause better to learn the correct name of "Persian Gulf" then give lecture about Iran

 

AHMADI

4:11 PM ET

June 14, 2009

Obama's effect????

It was supposed to be the perfect script. Mousavi’s victory was supposed to be hailed as the indication of Iranian rulers having “unclenched their fist”. It was supposed to be the perfect time for reconciliation with Mullahs. It was supposed to be the clearest sign yet of the success of Obama administration’s soft spoken approach towards the Muslim world. It was supposed to be the time for celebration of the Obama effect.

Ahmadinejad’s coup d'état changed the game altogether. It sent all the deal-makers and rapprochement enthusiasts of Washington think-tanks back to the drawing board.

The most important foreign policy implication is that the coup d'état government is dead serious about going nuclear. Any “grand-bargain” between Washington and Tehran under Mousavi would have led to concessions on Iran’s nuclear program. This would have been unacceptable for the Pasdaran commanders who will not be content with any less position than the one enjoyed by their Pakistani counterparts.

As the western governments and in particular US will be wrestling with the question of legitimacy versus negotiations, the coup d'état government will use the time to make as much progress as possible in its nuclear program. Unlike what many might think, the coup d'état government will in fact embrace doubts on its legitimacy to further complicate the issue and seize on it as an opportunity to blame the West for interference in Iranian domestic affairs. As the game continues, Israel will see no choice but to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. What will happen next is anyone’s guess.

This is all obviously conditioned on the success of the coup d'état which by no means is a given at this time. The arrests made by the coup d'état government yesterday has no significance other than a show of force. Rafsanjani is the only person who, as the head of the assembly of experts, has the authority to remove Khamenei from power. He has the will but the question is whether he has enough number of votes (i.e. enough support among clerics). Many believe that he is in Qom to make such assessment. Additionally, such high risk move has a chance of success only against the backdrop of mass dissatisfaction with the election results and at least some support from the armed and security forces.

A velvet change is underway. Whether it turns out to be a velvet revolution or velvet coup d'état remains to be seen.

source : http://www.zaneirani.blogspot.com/

 

HASS

6:33 PM ET

June 14, 2009

Mousavi supported Iran's nuclear program

There is no evidence at all that Mousavi was any more likely to make concession on Iran's nuclear program, especially since the program is not under the control of Iran's presidents anyway. The program is very popular amongst the people of Iran -- including Mousavi's supporters.

 

HASS

6:31 PM ET

June 14, 2009

Iranians support their nuclear program

I am amused about the attempts to conflate Ahmadinejad with the nuclear issue (despite the fact that Iranian presidents don't control the program) all the crocodile tears over democracy in Iran whcih disregards that the same Iranian people also totally support their nuclear program. And no, despite the attempt to link the nucler program to "crazy" Ahmadinejad, Iran's nuclear program pre-dates the 1979 Islamic Revolution, and would be pursued regardless of what government was in power in iran, because it makes economic and strategic sense for the nation and people of Iran.

 

PERCEPT09

1:00 AM ET

June 20, 2009

Hi all Friends ! My name is

Hi all Friends !
My name is Taufik.
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PERCEPT09

1:03 AM ET

June 20, 2009

Hello to all

Perception SIs this news is true ?
Perception System - Taufik

 

VIKOJHONS

10:35 AM ET

July 10, 2009

democracy in Iran is important for the world

What we are seeing in Iran right now is so important for the spread of democracy in the entire world. Iran was an autocratic country and these new changes are so important, you can hardly overestimate the importance of these things. free essay paper | custom essay

 

NEVA

4:00 PM ET

July 13, 2009

Come on man is Iran is the

Come on man is Iran is the only country who is non democratic? And why only Iran why not other countries?
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LUIZEBA

3:32 PM ET

July 11, 2009

About Iran President

Hello mates.

Listening to some Podcasts like DemocracyNow.Org, I'm really interesting about the Iran Revolution and these things;
Anyone know where I can find it?

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ALEX DRAKE

7:45 AM ET

July 13, 2009

Iran in State of War

Fantastic article, i really appreciate on hard work, all the crocodile tears over democracy in Iran which disregards that the same Iranian people also totally support their nuclear program. And no, despite the attempt to link the nuclear program to "crazy" Ahmadinejad, Iran's nuclear program pre-dates the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Nice post again

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EIFFEL TOWER

4:47 PM ET

July 13, 2009

If there were protests with

If there were protests with France along the Eiffel TowerGreat Wall of China? Every country has their problems and protest sites. Iran is no different.

 

EIFFEL TOWER

4:49 PM ET

July 13, 2009

Iran Documentary

Does anyone know about any good Documentaries

 

HANKJMATT

9:02 AM ET

July 15, 2009

Mousavi’s victory was

Mousavi’s victory was supposed to be hailed as the indication of Iranian rulers having “unclenched their fist”. It was supposed to be the perfect time for reconciliation with Mullahs. It was supposed to be the clearest sign yet of the success of Obama administration’s soft spoken approach towards the Muslim world. It was supposed to be the time for celebration of the Obama effect.
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