Who's behind the Mumbai attacks?

Thu, 11/27/2008 - 11:01am

An interesting article by Alan Cowell and Mark McDonald in today's New York Times reveals an inconvenient truth about analysts who study terrorism: they often have wildly divergent views about the same events.

Christine Fair, senior political scientist and a South Asia expert at the RAND Corporation, was careful to say that the identity of the terrorists could not yet be known. But she insisted the style of the attacks and the targets in Mumbai suggested the militants were likely to be Indian Muslims and not linked to Al Qaeda or Lashkar-e-Taiba, another violent South Asian terrorist group.

There’s absolutely nothing Al Qaeda-like about it,” she said of the attack. "Did you see any suicide bombers? And there are no fingerprints of Lashkar. They don’t do hostage-taking and they don’t do grenades." By contrast, Mr. Gohel in London said "the fingerprints point to an Islamic Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group."

Fair goes on to make the point that India has a lot of angry Muslims of its own, and has a history of telling the world, "Our Muslims have not been radicalized."

I would point out that the two main competing theories -- a domestic group and outside involvement -- are not mutually exclusive. Extremist groups have been known to share logistical networks (for safehouses, weapons procurement, etc.), and there aren't always bright lines between them. So, it could be that domestic perpetrators of the attack conceived and executed the idea, but operatives turned to Lashkar-e-Taiba or some other group for logistical help and expertise.

UPDATE: Here's a pretty strong clue that points to Kashmir:

A militant holed up at the center phoned an Indian television channel to offer talks with the government for the release of hostages, but also to complain about abuses in Kashmir, over which India and Pakistan have fought two of their three wars.

"Ask the government to talk to us and we will release the hostages," the man, identified by the India TV channel as Imran, said, speaking in Urdu in what sounded like a Kashmiri accent.

"Are you aware how many people have been killed in Kashmir? Are you aware how your army has killed Muslims. Are you aware how many of them have been killed in Kashmir this week?"

On the other hand, a senior Indian military official seems pretty confident the militants are from Faridkot, Pakistan. One captured terrorist had a Punjabi accent.

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Students come from many

Students come from many different places. Engineering/science students tend to have a difficult time separating theory from reality and thus are more easily radicalized. Furthermore, they have technical ability, and if they were students in Bombay, good knowledge of the city. A few months in a training camp after 'conversion', and you get the actual operatives. To be honest, however, it's more than likely going to be relatively fruitless to make assumptions based on the identities of the terrorists on the ground. The organizers more than likely will not have been part of the actual execution.

Faridkot is not in Pakistan.

Faridkot is not in Pakistan. Both India and Pakistan have sub-national districts called "Punjab". The Pakistani Punjab has no district or city called "Faridkot".

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Mumbai: The WHY? of Terrorism in Islam

The WHY? of Terrorism in Islam

I am an American living in Asia. I am not Moslem, but I am a writer and historian. I would like to share some information with you: information concerning Moslem terrorism, and why the United States, its military allies and their intelligence services must continue to be vigilant, and when appropriate, respond to Islamic terrorism with relentless, overwhelming, and deadly force.

This information may help you understand what is going on not only in India, Pakistan, and China, as well as other parts of Asia, but also the Middle East, as well as Africa, Europe, and even the United States. In the not too distant future, Moslem extremists intend to involve you and your loved ones, as well as a vast number of other innocent victims in a man-made catastrophe: an organized and violent calamity of biblical proportions that is based on teachings taken from the Koran.

Disregarding the social, economic, and political factors that serve as underpinnings for Islamic terrorism, I will address the more fundamental issue: the religious teachings that sanction violence against non-Moslems and against women. Here are seven verses from the Koran. These scriptures have been translated into modern English.

…murder, crucify, or cut off the hands and feet of non-Moslems…Chapter 5 Verse 33 - The Koran
…create terror in the hearts of non-Moslems …cut off their heads…Chapter 8 Verse 12 - The Koran
…and fight non-Moslems until Allah’s religion is the only one…Chapter 8 Verse 39 - The Koran
…of all the loot you plunder from non-Moslems, 20% belongs to Allah and to Mohammed. Chapter 8 Verse 41- The Koran (Author’s note: Loot included kidnapped female sex-slaves.)
…Take as many as four wives from the women you are sexually attracted to … Chapter 4 Verse 3 - The Koran
…God has made men superior to women… Virtuous women are obedient. If a woman becomes disobedient, beat her. Chapter 4 Verse 34 - The Koran
…When it comes to marriage, Allah makes it legal for you to take as wives, women whom your right hand possesses. Chapter 33 Verse 50 - The Koran (Author’s note: This verse talks about the “loot” non-Moslems call… kidnapped female sex-slaves.)

Most people in the western world have never heard of these astonishing scriptures, but they are in the Koran … along with a relatively short list of others, just like them. This is important because not all Moslems are the same; there are two very different types. Militant Moslems view these verses as commandments from their god – a violent, primitive god. They think these teachings apply to life in the Twenty-first Century and they try to use them, regardless of the suffering and mayhem they create, whereas moderate Moslems ignore such verses because they were uttered a long time ago: when the Arabian peninsula, from whence Islam came, was a wild and savage place.

Historians tell us these terrorist teachings are part of a cluster of ferocious beliefs that were deliberately added to one specific part of the formerly peaceful and tolerant Koran. These changes were made decades after the faith was first organized.

In fact, historians also tell us Islam didn’t simply fall from the sky as a full-blown religion, but rather evolved from a persecuted sect of Jewish-Christians. The first Moslems were actually part of a larger group of Jesus’ followers called the Ebionites.

Ebionites were peace-loving disciples of Christ, who shared their wealth with fellow believers, and taught that a man should marry only one wife. In fact, women were much more independent in the Ebionite Jewish-Christian days of Islam. They were more influential too. I say this because my research has determined that the first prophet of Islam may have been someone other than Mohammed: I believe the first prophet was a very special Arabian princess named Khadija the Pure. Khadija was Mohammed’s first and only wife for twenty-four years. Khadija was fifteen years older than Mohammed. She was considered to be fabulously wealthy, and she was Mohammed’s employer.

Mohammed on the other hand, before he became Khadija’s employee, was an impoverished youth who had been raised as an orphan. Ultimately Mohammed worked his way up to a position as Khadija’s business manager. With time, Khadija grew fond of Mohammed. Khadija asked Mohammed to marry her! Even though Khadija had already converted to Christianity, throughout her lifetime Mohammed’s first and only wife for twenty-four years remained an influential Arabian princess in the ruling family that controlled worship in the Kabba Temple, with it’s pantheon of more than three hundred pagan gods and goddesses. Clearly, Khadija was a person of great influence in Arabian society. www.TheMoslemInstitute.com

After Khadija’s death, Islam was hijacked by a cartel of corrupt men, headed by Mohammed himself. New beliefs were added to the Koran, old beliefs were deleted or relegated to unimportance, and the religion was changed beyond recognition. In the end, Islam abandoned many of its Ebionite Jewish-Christian teachings and turned cruel and predatory; women suffered the most: they became the focus of repression, scorn, and violence.

Today, although moderate Moslems are loath to admit these ideas, and many of them are terrified to voice criticism of their militant Islamic brothers, because of fear that violence will come to them and their families, the fact remains that these added teachings are not the original beliefs of Islam; they are amendments: They are the terrorist teachings of Islam.

In the near future, militant Moslems hope to unleash a Jihad: a Moslem holy war upon the non-Moslem world: not only the United States and Western Europe, but also in non-Moslem parts of Asia, such as India, China, and Japan. Because the terrorist teachings of Islam sanction deception, treaty breaking, and war, as well as looting, murder, kidnapping, terrorism, and human slavery (including sexual slavery), so long as these crimes are directed against non-Moslems, there is no limit to the things these fanatics can do. But the scariest part: Militant Moslems will do everything… in the name of god. During this violent holy war, these fanatics believe Allah will grant them harems of kidnapped sex slaves taken from destroyed cities and nations, as well as enormous fortunes of loot plundered from the non-Moslem world. The Koran says, ransoms paid to Moslem terrorists, to redeem stolen property, and kidnapped men, women, and children, are part of the Islamic loot these vicious criminals are entitled to receive.

Islamic Law given in the Koran even allows Moslem men to force their kidnapped female sex slaves to marry them in Moslem wedding ceremonies, and bear children for them: whether the women want to or not. The only requirement Moslem teachings mandate is, that the women must come from Christian, or Jewish backgrounds.

If the Moslem fanatics die while committing these crimes against humanity, they believe Allah will admit them to paradise and bless them luxurious palaces filled with seventy-two virgin brides, as an eternal reward for their cruel deeds.

With that said, it is important to remember that the majority of Moslems are moderate, decent people, who recognize such teachings as obsolete and out of place in the Twenty-first Century. In spite of enormous cultural and ideological differences that exist between the Judeo-Christian world and the Islamic world, in the author's opinion, it is with this moderate Moslem majority that any long-term resolution to the Islamic terrorism issue will ultimately be negotiated.

However, given the massive population increases taking place in the Moslem world, at a time when poverty, chaos, criminality, and religious fanaticism are burgeoning, the numbers of Moslems worldwide who declare themselves militant is increasing; the influence their growing networks of terrorist cells exert on Islamic governments throughout the world has reached crisis levels. A great deal of violence and death looms ahead of the non-Moslem world; the attacks on Mumbai, India, the World Trade Center in New York, and the subway bombings in Spain and England are simply previews of things to come. In this ferocious Jihad, nuclear and biological weapons could ultimately come into play. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, the road before us will be long and dangerous; the United States and Europe must be resolute… and take courage. The survival of our civilization depends on it.

Are you are interested in learning more about an array of Islamic topics including: The Seventy-two Virgins of Islam, or the role of the Ebionites and Khadija the Pure, in founding Islam, or facts concerning militant Moslem terrorism and its involvement in modern human slavery? Visit The Moslem Institute website: www.TheMoslemInstitute.com

Regards,
Dane Dahl
Author and Historian

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here are your answers... any one can click on this link and see how stupidely this so called story writter and historian write false and out of context thins in his post.
http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

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For anyone who is curious, Mr. Dahl is not a historian (those who feel the need to constantly state that they're a historian generally never are). He has written a book called 'The Pox of Mohammed,' which is a crime fiction novel that doesn't have a single review on Amazon. He runs a website that is highly Islamophobic and touts long discredited conspiracy theories regarding Islam's origins. On his site, he cites ridiculous sources, such as a Xanga blog entry by a right-wing Christian individual, and passes them off as somehow credible. As for the Qur'anic quotes listed, all one needs to do is take a brief look at any modern translation to see what they really say and place them in the context of the sura they come from. There's plenty to criticize Islam over, but this guy is just a sensationalist bigot.